From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,579d48ee9919a336 X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,313d2cf3457f5b7c,start X-Google-Thread: f43e6,313d2cf3457f5b7c,start X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid1108a1,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Craig Carey Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.object,comp.software-eng Subject: Ada died (no shit) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:55:56 +1200 Organization: Ihug Ltd Message-ID: <9skrb218ss08hbf23lauht25sr4iqmol57@4ax.com> References: <1153164458.553813.168320@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.118.188.194 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1153295693 14645 203.118.188.194 (19 Jul 2006 07:54:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:54:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:5800 comp.object:7582 comp.software-eng:2721 Date: 2006-07-19T19:55:56+12:00 List-Id: On 17 Jul 2006 12:27:38 -07h, Richard Riehle wrote: Mr Riehle stated in the first message that the forum is for students of that US Naval Postgraduate school: http://www.nps.edu/ I wrote two messages trashing the Ada, and Mr Taft can explain why he added the "tagged" since it looks it should not have been added. The original announcement went to: comp.software-eng, comp.object, comp.lang.ada. The forum: http://groups.google.com/group/softwareengarchitecture I wrote to it, noting that competent design of Ada had stopped at least about 9-10 years ago. Needless to say Brukardt can mislead. http://groups.google.com/group/softwareengarchitecture/browse_thread/thread/d155af70ba555583 | I started this mainly for students in my Software Architecture | course at Naval Postgraduate School. However, anyone with | an interest in Software Architecture is welcome to participate. http://groups.google.com/group/softwareengarchitecture/browse_thread/thread/cd640cf8ec292167 | Tues, Jul 18 2006 2:49 pm ... | * ... It might not be possible | for the ARG to have run a more vicious and full scale | attack on the public than what France, IBM, and Adacore's | Mr Dewar ... | [Mr Tucker] Taft did [not] stop with the stupidity of | dispatching procs, but even personally believed Java was | important. ... Dispatching procedures replace a case statement, and if Taft's "tagged" was absent then it would occur that Ada programmers made little use of the case statement to implement dispatching. Ie. C programmers 'lied' when claiming that object orientation was important. Her's a false claim: Now with 9x and presumably because of O.O., programs are measured at 30% smaller. It is untrue. Irvine copies (so wait for their comments about 200x): > ... Important aspects of Ada 9X include: > Object Oriented Programming. Ada 9X includes full OOP > facilities giving the flexibility of programming by > extension which enables programs to be extended and > maintained at lower cost. From: http://www.irvine.com/whatsada2.html Actually OO seems to aim for: (1) allowing Ada programmers to not produce a case statement with similar procedure calls in each "when" part. The destruction of transparency muyst have been create by Taft since he was one of the first to speak when discussions became dishonest in arg@ada-auth,org, in October 2002. The ARG destroys its records and can't undo the mistakes in made in release 9x. Anyway, I wrote of maritime captains in the thread named "Constant record components" (2-14 July 2006) beating Mr Riehle with the hit-Java forum of students of the US Naval Academy. How many sensed an Ada community unfriendly yet got one of the many dangling deception-hooks embedded in their upper mouth. The ARG: http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG9/organize.htm Mr G A Craig Carey Hahj, Mr Riehle-time: it shouldn't take Brukardt more than 20yrs. Soon to be shot out by Naval Academy staff .