From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,2def9aa85afa5d22 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-11-06 10:45:35 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!newsfeed.online.be!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!157.161.139.35.MISMATCH!106952618!news.imp.ch!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Joint Strike Fighter Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:17:47 -0500 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9s99gd$p6f$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <3BDCE159.39F6D422@adaworks.com> <11bf7180.0110290311.4d8d6f04@posting.google.com> <3BDF9C6A.C25520C5@adaworks.com> <3BE023AB.8F235EF5@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> <9rp8mo$6d8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9rrmvl$98d$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3BE4221B.34589071@adaworks.com> <3BE43CDC.F6B1EE30@acm.org> <3BE813E4.C4797DDE@reges.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1005070669 25807 136.170.200.133 (6 Nov 2001 18:17:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2001 18:17:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:15939 Date: 2001-11-06T18:17:49+00:00 List-Id: If you presume that you're going to need people for more than a year, then the training cost is negligable. Hire smart people and then train them in the specifics of your tasks. Its nice to get people who are instant-experts in whatever your problem-space is, but the only people who *really* are, are the ones already at your desks. Beware of contractors claiming to be experts in your domain. :-) Another thing you need to consider is just how creative you can get with solving your personel problems. For reasons that are convoluted, arcane and probably more FUD than reality, companies are *very* reluctant to outsource custom software development. They will "outsource" it to the extent that it is a) a COTS product like MS-Word or b) it is part of some hardware deliverable (a test computer, an embedded system, etc.) You almost never hear of companies willing to go to an outside firm, spec out some software and then pay them to build it for them. (If you were willing to do that, I'd be able to find you a dozen or so Ada pros down here in Florida and form up a company just to do that work! :-) Some companies will "outsource" custom software to the extent that they hire "Consultants" to come into their office and write it for them. But basically when you strip away the BS, its essentially "Employees" that you don't give benefits and don't feel guilty about firing. So maybe you have to get creative in what you do with "Consultants" - redefine them to be "Employees" that you not only don't pay benefits and can fire easily, but they also don't have to be "on site" to do their job. Software can be done anywhere - maybe that's something to exploit? (Never understood why it all had to be done in Sillycon Valley - is that the only place in the country where the soil is right for growing Bits?) There is lots of Ada talent out there - just maybe not centered in the precise location one might want. Home-grow it, import it or take the work to where they are. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Rex Reges" wrote in message news:3BE813E4.C4797DDE@reges.org... > > I doubt that one could get several hundred Ada programmers > in a pinch. I couldn't hire six experienced Ada > contractors in six months! And try to get them to move > to some tornado infested place like Oklahoma City (who knows > what Fort Worth holds). Of course we could train C++ > programmers. So we pay $75/hour for their time and send them > to training too! And if you do, then you have inexperienced > Ada programmers. It's not like Ada inhibits people from > doing stupid things (like creating a C interpreter in > Ada to get out of writing everything in Ada). >