From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,f2690a5e963b61b6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:59:47 -0500 From: Craig Carey Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GCC 4.0 Ada.Containers Cursor danger. Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 04:59:14 +1200 Message-ID: <9r7ve150lvle7eks8bucdukuerdggo3gq8@4ax.com> References: <1120474891.635131.216700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1121573057.159416.274980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1121622050.676894.246740@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <%q%Ce.11640$1Y1.7177@fe02.lga> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-210-185-7-173.internet.co.nz X-Original-Trace: 3 Aug 2005 05:00:10 +1200, ip-210-185-7-173.internet.co.nz Organization: "ICONZ Ltd." X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news.nz.asiaonline.net X-Original-Trace: 3 Aug 2005 04:59:07 +1200, news.nz.asiaonline.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.37.6 X-Trace: sv3-bI6lAkiX92RsyNJwj2xnsD/LkHE07tZZVZH2ZI32B7B6dYBIT3lBUZKUH0xMiNSaahEke12sdDrVZAj!nBRVeCS4u2Jdh5SOFdpJY8trmt0bL1PhDo8BrpvB8KQnQOTM9oFAml+1AzJNPXSPyCH0E/Y8F0Wd!S54FsJI= X-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3909 Date: 2005-08-03T04:59:14+12:00 List-Id: On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:37:46 -0400, "Robert I. Eachus" wrote: >Mikhail Terekhov wrote: > >> That means do it youself. So much for a "generic" library - if you need >> some generic case - do it yourself. > >No, what you are asking for is many more standard packages. As Randy >discribed in another part of this thread, the ARG worked to reduce the >number of container variations that were part of the standard. In doing >this there are cases where one variant supports several different >abstractions. If you use the standard containers with any of those >views, the packages are safe and efficient. If you mix abstractions, >you either have to choose a more expensive implementation, or risk >erroneousness. > >But it would be silly to provide half-a-dozen versions of some of the >packages, Suppose it is almost-mathematically impossible for agreement to arise?. The ARG has an improper purpose (eg stupidity) and that is why the intelligent discussions occur out here. What did I learn so far: * Matt Heany wrote on how USA has been getting on top of its mobster problem. Gee, we certainly would not AI-302 to be a protection racket defending, with knee buster AdaCore sucking into its FSF repository of C++ catechisms the *.d[bs] files by Mr Heaney. Comp.lang.ada perhaps has the detail for one of the ARG "Mitigator Supreme", i.e. the standards-lowerer: a nonresolvable dispute. Mr Burkardt can't get mention the existence of his personal and secret "arg@ada-auth.org" mailing list, to the public ARG list named Ada-Comment. What's the chance that Brukardt would mouth out the words, arg@ada-auth.org" to Comp.lang.ada. If a person revelled in lowering standards, then what can he do?. If we are not careful, Ada could (especially when one of the silent few in France is in charge) become a programming language better than others. That is where a mob man can help: led by desires. Great stuff for Mr Terekhov to write. But what Brukardt desires, is less and less transparency: it is not really true that he can win his arguments by using logic and truth alone. Creating a garbage AI would eliminate transparency. Craig Carye