From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,fe82bd3a72926e1a X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-10-16 08:35:02 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Sice of C++ vs Ada Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:23:32 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9qhjdk$amu$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9q223u$lap2j$1@ID-77397.news.dfncis.de> <87y9mcoz6s.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <8sXy7.31264$ev2.37455@www.newsranger.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1003245812 10974 136.170.200.133 (16 Oct 2001 15:23:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 2001 15:23:32 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:14696 Date: 2001-10-16T15:23:32+00:00 List-Id: Size, in and of itself, should not be the issue. Size is an issue if it creates needless complexity and/or inhibits implementation and use. Just because Ada is "big" (bigger than C at least) doesn't mean that the size makes it "bad". One can always start and continue programming with a Pascal-like subset of Ada and do just fine. The extra features do not intrude on everyday life. To some extent this is true of C++ because you can stick to a C-subset of the language, but I think that the instant one gets to classes and anything in the OO realm, the C++ stuff gets far more twisted and convoluted than does Ada with packages/tagged-types. It would be useful to have some sort of complexity metric, but I suspect this is not the kind of thing that lends itself to being measured in an unambiguous way. The judgement is going to end up subjective for the most part. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Ted Dennison" wrote in message news:8sXy7.31264$ev2.37455@www.newsranger.com... > In article <87y9mcoz6s.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>, Florian Weimer says... > > >Anyway, I think it's rather strange to judge a language by the "size" > >of its definition. > > I'd agree with that. It was Hoare's(?) comment, not mine. I was just pointing > out that if one takes this attitude towards Ada, then one also has to judge C++ > as even worse. >