From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92ab0b93767eaa5e X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-21 14:35:02 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Comment on Ada usage Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:29:32 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9lujrt$euf$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <3B82CD0B.4A551A42@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 998429373 15311 136.170.200.133 (21 Aug 2001 21:29:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 2001 21:29:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12194 Date: 2001-08-21T21:29:33+00:00 List-Id: As with most surveys, I suppose it depends on how you do the counting. Suppose you credit 4-bit and 8-bit computers as "Embedded Computers" and treat installed volume as the basis for determining the popularity of the programming language. Since there are a really large number of really small microcontrollers showing up in just about everything, that could make the numbers look very different. In those small machines things like C and probably Forth are going to be real popular - does Ada even play in that arena? Assembler might rank high for a number of these devices - but for anything compiled, you need a fairly small language and I don't think Ada is a good fit there. Apparently the compiler writers agree because they're staying away from that market in droves. While I'd like to see Ada available for really small machines, I don't know that its ever been done. That would account for an enormously large amount of disinterest in Ada within that world. You've probably got to get to 16-bit embedded machines (fewer out there than 4 & 8 bit) before Ada even shows up on the horizon and you've got to get to 32-bit embeded machines (fewer still) before Ada starts having lots of implementations. You can't totally ignore a market and then whine that the players in that market don't like your product. Go after the market or conceed the territory to C - but don't complain that embedded programmers don't go for Ada unless you're there to play the game. Given where Embedded.Com is coming from, I don't doubt that the numbers are somewhere close to accurate. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Wes Groleau" wrote in message news:3B82CD0B.4A551A42@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com... > > In embedded systems: ADA [sic] is used less than Forth ? > http://www.embedded.com/story/OEG20010813S0073 > > -- > Wes Groleau > http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau