From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,27539c823b51b306 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-21 08:55:06 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada vendors and the art of selling used cars Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:43:37 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9ltvjb$7dr$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <3b7fdb8a_2@news3.prserv.net> <9lroc412oq7@enews2.newsguy.com> <3b8194f3_2@news3.prserv.net> <9ls8300bdq@enews4.newsguy.com> <9ltq1q$54r$1@nh.pace.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 998408619 7611 136.170.200.133 (21 Aug 2001 15:43:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 2001 15:43:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12180 Date: 2001-08-21T15:43:39+00:00 List-Id: O.K. It is a nit - I stand corrected. The idea is that you go to your local CompUSA and buy a copy off the shelf and basically its yours and yours alone. If you have a team of 5 guys you go buy 5 boxes at CompUSA and each guy gets one at 5x cost to you. As long as the price is half-way reasonable, this model works fine. As long as a company provides some way of getting volume discounts (and maybe various levels of support?) larger projects can figure out how to make it work for them. FWIW, I used to get a quarterly update in the mail with MSVC++ and that was about the extent of the support. It was also about all I needed. Assuming a similar Ada product, with a good collection of documentation and a quarterly update for 1 year that included code revisions and other real changes (not just some window dressing to make the update look like you're getting something.) I'd see that as worth $500..$1000 to a serious hobbyist or small project or startup venture. The answer to customers who want traditional DoD levels of support is to say "Yeah, sure. We've got that. It just costs extra. Get out your government Visa card and call 1.900.xxx.yyyy...." Otherwise, just ship me a product that installs flawlessly and works properly and has good documentation and I'll be happy to live with it on my own. (Don't make me call you and fume at you because your stupid, freakin software won't install or start up and then have you tell me that telephone support costs extra. :-) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Ted Dennison" wrote in message news:GUug7.9130$2u.65334@www.newsranger.com... > In article <9ltq1q$54r$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, Marin David Condic says... > Just a minor nit: The last time I bought VC++, it was licesed to a single > *user*. The license explicitly allows me to install it on every machine I use, > but no-one other than me is to use the software. >