From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,27539c823b51b306 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-20 07:15:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada vendors and the art of selling used cars Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:09:12 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9lr5m9$572$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <3b7fdb8a_2@news3.prserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 998316553 5346 136.170.200.133 (20 Aug 2001 14:09:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 2001 14:09:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12125 Date: 2001-08-20T14:09:13+00:00 List-Id: A real quick search from Google Computers On Line: http://www.computer-on-line.com/msvc6ent.html The posted price there: $1159. I know this comes in different editions - this particular one is the "Enterprise Edition" - so it may available at considerably less cost in other configurations. (A little digging around shows up the "Professional Edition at $490.) Anyway, I don't think Ada stands much of a chance of overtaking C++, et alia, unless it can find a way to have a spiffy little boxed kit with everything you ever wanted in it just right there for a similar price tag and as easily accessible. (Maybe get it on Amazon? Probably easier to do than get it some shelf space in CompUSA.) Just a thought as to what Ada needs to do to meet customer expectations. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "McDoobie" wrote in message news:ym2g7.45548$K6.17757773@news2... > In article <3b7fdb8a_2@news3.prserv.net>, "Andrzej Lewandowski" > wrote: > > > Ada vendors, > > > > Could you please publish price list of your products? > > > > With notable exception of R.R. Software that makes the price list > > public, any attempt to know the cost of tools from other vendors results > > in "you will be contacted by our sales representative". The very first > > attempt of such sales representative is investigating the depth of my > > pocket. Usual question is "what for you will be using our product?" that > > generates my standard answer: "not your f...g business". > > > > It seems that "used car dealer mentality" is the REAL obstacle in making > > Ada more popular than it is. > > > > A.L. > > I second that motion. > > I'm checking around for a good Ada development environment, and I wouldnt > mind picking up a copy of GNAT Pro or the Aonix toolchain. But "contact > our sales rep" is irritating as hell. > > I suspect the reason they wont list the prices is because it would > probably take a real good con-artist salesman to get me to even consider > paying what thier asking. It gives me the impression that they're hiding > something. > > I wouldnt have any problem paying for a decent development environment, > one that will run on Linux or BSD, but until these companies are a little > more forthcoming with the critical information, I will refuse to buy from > them. At least with Java and C and such, I can purchase tools right > online with a credit or debit card and them delivered next day air > (should I choose to do so). > So piss on it, for now I'll continue using the free tools that are > available. Dealing with "Sales Reps" feels too much like dealing with > telemarketers. > > Laters. > > McDoobie > > chris@dont.spam.me