From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c3d0e99376a4f379 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Interested about number crunching in Ada References: <1187235764.909133.180650@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> <46c49e6e$1_6@news.bluewin.ch> <46c56070$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net> From: development-2006-8ecbb5cc8aREMOVETHIS@ANDTHATm-e-leypold.de (Markus E.L. 2) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:58:50 +0200 Message-ID: <9ky7g95a11.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) Cancel-Lock: sha1:gmmz/Jk4XyzxA/txBnYqXLpjyvo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.72.249.21 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1187437620 88.72.249.21 (18 Aug 2007 13:47:00 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:1481 Date: 2007-08-18T13:58:50+02:00 List-Id: 'anon AT anon DOT org (anon)' wrote: > First, I was talking about the close source Libraries that the > DOD CONTRACTED the DEC corporation to write in 77 - 78. Using > its PDP series computer. No. You were writing >>> Which brings us to Ada. Ada was developed for the military by DEC >>> using DEC computer systems. So, DEC had at that time had the Confused, aren't you? > Also, I was only talking about before Ada 83 the previous > non-commerical versions. The first complete commercial Ada language > was in 83 but DEC had developed the Jean Ichbiah design a long time > before 83. And in 83 companies such as IBM, SUN, and even CII > Honeywell Bull had to pay DEC for the source code of those close > source code libraries. The library source code will still be under > DEC control or its owners until around 2050. Source? > Ada was originally designed by a team led by Jean Ichbiah of CII > Honeywell Bull under contract to the US DOD in 77. But another DOD > department contract DEC to write the first Ada compiler in 77 - 78. > Some 5 to 6 years before Ada 83. Since "Green" became Ada only in 1979 and DEC was not among the four contractors for defining the lanuage I'd be surprised if this were in any sense true. But perhaps you're again mixing up "compiler" with something else? > Note: Since, DEC had the code from 77 - 78 to 83 they had time to > improve the performance of the close library code. > > The Design is a far cry from the true copyright, it what some now > call a SOFTWARE PATENT! Even though it more than this you could Performance? Library? Design? Design of what? Software patent? What's the patent number? > think of the design as pseudo code or flowcharting for the old > timers. What are you talking about? DEC had a specification (?) in pseudo code (or flow charts?) for whatever (librar? compiler?) and improved the performance of this and everybody else had to buy it from them for what reason ever? I can't make neither hand nor foot from what you write. > Also anything that Government touches it take FULL credit for it, > unless it is a screw-up, then they have nothing to do with it. Of > course all documentation for any part of the DOD projects at that > time were under the DOD copyright. Well, perhaps because they paid for it. Though how that dovetails with your earlier assertion that DEC has some substantial part of rights in something, I don't know. > But that's the US government for you! I'm not a US citizen, but I think that it would actually be a good thing that they don't pay with tax dollars for the development something that then stay proprietary IP of somebody else. > As for the 'MIL-STD-1815' spec was created at the end of 1980. > But the design and first full language compiler was created in > 77 - 78 more than two years before. So the 'MIL-STD-1815' was > not the first word only the first publish word. Not even that: All design documents for Ada and most of the proposals where public too. If I understand it right, 'MIL-STD-1815' only standardized the language for military use. > NOTE: As with all post in the Newsgroups! We do take short cut and > leave some info for you to learn and understand for yourself. Unfortunately you are fudding. With more and more informative Websites and FTPsites from the past going the way of the Dodo, but Usenet being preserved by Google for all eternity, I fear that future (hobby) historians will only find drivel and FUD and the rantings of revisionists. - Markus