From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,be23df8e7e275d73 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-08 12:55:06 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:49:48 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9ks54t$m2n$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9kosp0$dje$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9kpq82$otf$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9krak1$3f4$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> <9krjs2$fqb$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9ks3e9$69v$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 997300189 22615 136.170.200.133 (8 Aug 2001 19:49:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2001 19:49:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11639 Date: 2001-08-08T19:49:49+00:00 List-Id: Well, if you mean that, for example, you "sponsor" me to write a square root routine and put it out under some flavor of the GPL on the net where you can download it and use it and your "sponsorship" consists of writing me a check for $50.00 US, then obviously, I have received some remuneration for doing this and (under GPL) this is about all I could reasonably expect. Possibly, I could make some additional money from providing customer driven updates to the square root routine and maybe get some fees for lecturing about the design of the square root routine and that would have to figure into my decision to undertake the work. If someone makes a deal like this, more power to them! They are getting some kind of remuneration for their work rather than just simply giving it away and hence they gain in doing it and have incentive to continue to follow up on it. Its not at all a bad thing. However, I'm not aware of very many of these sorts of arrangements being made. Obviously, the willingness of people to develop under these terms is going to depend on how large the check is that you send them. The more money, the more likely you'll find willing developers. As to the equity of this situation - that's for us both to determine in the process. Is $50 to me worth the time I'll spend developing the square root code? No? Can I see enough back-end business coming out of it that I might still develop it? This is essentially a work made for hire and I've got no problems with whatever license terms you want to put on it - except insofar as it may influence the amount of money I expect to do the job. But if Ada's success is going to depend on lots of people developing software with no thought as to financial gain, then I doubt it will see much success. That's why I favor something like the ADCL as a means of holding out *some* financial incentive that might encourage people to develop software on speculation that they might get some back-end reward. If someone doesn't like the ADCL, I'd like to hear an alternative that promotes wide circulation and use of Ada source and holds out some financial reward for the guy who develops it. We might find lots of entrepeneurs in this newsgroup alone who would undertake significant projects if they thought they might get some financial reward out of it. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Georg Bauhaus" wrote in message news:9ks3e9$69v$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de... > Marin David Condic wrote: > : I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. > > Yes, something like the first two cases. > It pays programmers as long as they are developing > a much needed library. If their is sufficient demand > for a GMGPL XML library, say, some skilled Ada programmer > could write one. If this person is know to those who are > interested, they might be ready to "sponsor" the development > of that library. > > Maybe then someone could join Simon Wright in developing > the 95 Booch components, wouldn't there be quite some > opportunities, to make good use of them? > > The basic issue for me is then, how can we make more > people understand that the development of _any_ software > costs time and money, be that Free Software, or Don't-Disassemble-Ware. > Some already do, but I won't guess how many. >