From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,bc1361a952ec75ca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-03 07:41:42 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!not-for-mail From: cross@augusta.math.psu.edu (Dan Cross) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.functional Subject: Re: How Ada could have prevented the Red Code distributed denial of service attack. Date: 3 Aug 2001 10:41:41 -0400 Organization: Mememememememmeme Message-ID: <9ked75$fa8@augusta.math.psu.edu> References: <9kci3p$ri$1@elf.eng.bsdi.com> <9kdeuv$dfh@augusta.math.psu.edu> <3b6a4414.1193645865@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: augusta.math.psu.edu X-Trace: boatanchor.ems.psu.edu 996849702 21674 146.186.132.2 (3 Aug 2001 14:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: security@psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2001 14:41:42 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11221 comp.lang.c:71901 comp.lang.c++:79660 comp.lang.functional:7257 Date: 2001-08-03T14:41:42+00:00 List-Id: In article <3b6a4414.1193645865@news.worldonline.nl>, Richard Bos wrote: >Says who? When I write a bug, it's _my_ bug. I see. And have you ever worked on a project with more than one programmer? > >Of course, when you use a language that will prevent you from making >mistakes, any bugs in the software could not possibly be yours. > Who ever said there was a language that would prevent one from making a mistake? Certainly not I, nor anyone in this thread, AFAIK. Perhaps you'd care to post a reference to what you're refering to? >That's why I check and test my programs before using them for production >work. With "modern" programmers, that's becoming an ever rarer >procedure, alas. Indeed, today's programmer's attitude towards quality and quality assurance represents a sad truly state of affairs. Case in point, programmers who feel that their work is done in a bubble, and refuse to use tools which are likely to reduce [*] instances of error injection. - Dan C. [*] Note that I said `reduce'. Not `eliminate', but `reduce'.