From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,bc1361a952ec75ca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-02 09:10:15 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!not-for-mail From: cross@augusta.math.psu.edu (Dan Cross) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.functional Subject: Re: How Ada could have prevented the Red Code distributed denial of service attack. Date: 2 Aug 2001 12:10:13 -0400 Organization: Mememememememmeme Message-ID: <9kbu15$9bj@augusta.math.psu.edu> References: <9ka1jc$mgd@augusta.math.psu.edu> <3b690498.1111845720@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: augusta.math.psu.edu X-Trace: boatanchor.ems.psu.edu 996768615 6794 146.186.132.2 (2 Aug 2001 16:10:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: security@psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 16:10:15 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11097 comp.lang.c:71671 comp.lang.c++:79367 comp.lang.functional:7194 Date: 2001-08-02T16:10:15+00:00 List-Id: In article <3b690498.1111845720@news.worldonline.nl>, Richard Bos wrote: >Yes, and the seat belt actually nicely illustrates Kaz's point. > >Immediately after the seat belt was introduced, the number of fatalities >in accidents plummeted. > >The years after, the number slowly rose again, because drivers adapted >to the new safety level seat belts provided and were willing to take >risks they wouldn't have taken without them. Yes, but would the average car driver buy a car without seat belts now? Assuming the answer is, ``no...'' why would the average programmer choose to use a programming language with seat-belt like features? >The nature of the fatalities have changed, yes. Nowadays, it's mostly >innocent bystanders that get killed, not the driver that flies through >the windscreen. Very sad, but undoubtedly true. :-( I consider myself very lucky to live in a place where I don't have to use a car to get anywhere (New York City). Going back to programming, can we guess that as the number of programming related defects goes down, the number of design related defects rises? Or is it that we're no longer hiding those design related defects behind our programming errors? - Dan C.