From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,bc1361a952ec75ca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-01 07:47:58 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!213.204.128.162!news000.worldonline.se!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!psiuk-p2!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to make Ada a dominant language Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:09:39 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9k92j4$n6j$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <3B676974.C80C72E5@sneakemail.com> <9ff447f2.0107312313.666dea54@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 996674980 23763 136.170.200.133 (1 Aug 2001 14:09:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 14:09:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10943 Date: 2001-08-01T14:09:40+00:00 List-Id: Maybe "The Borg" - Star Trek TNG? In addition, to comment on Russ's comment about closed minds. I don't think anybody has any objection to your developing any dialect of Ada you want to and seeing if it has anything useful to offer. Others have done the same in the past in order to get features into Ada that didn't exist. (I recall someone had a version of Ada that included OOP features on top of Ada-83 - anybody remember that?) It just won't find much traction here because there are lots of good reasons why the syntax is what it is. The problem is it will not likely gain much acceptance in the Ada community because a) People like the fact that there is One-And-Only-One Ada, b) we don't believe there is anything seriously "broke" about the syntax, c) we perceive the complaints you have as probably coming from a perspective of "This isn't what I'm used to, so I want to change it to look more like what I know" rather than being some well founded criticism of the syntax based on some kind of evidence of a real problem (Is there a real problem? Can you point to some kind of evidence that programs are routinely bungled or frequently contain syntax errors because of ":=" or ";" being parts of the language? Anything beyond "It doesn't look comfortable to me?") d) the syntax of Ada was carefully designed by people with a high level of experience and background in language design and the decisions were not made lightly, on a whim or because of one individual's "preference" that it look a certain way. You should know that there is a *lot* of collective experience in this group - especially with developing safety-critical systems. Being critical of Ada is O.K., but if you start getting dozens of (expert) opinions here about why something is generally a good/bad idea, you might want to give a little credit to the sources. "Having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." -- G.K. Chesterton MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Adrian Hoe" wrote in message news:9ff447f2.0107312313.666dea54@posting.google.com... > Russ <18k11tm001@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:<3B676974.C80C72E5@sneakemail.com>... > > > > Furthermore, I think the idea of having another "dialect" of Ada is an > > innovative concept with real potential. If you reject it out hand, you > > simply have a closed mind. > > Resistance is futile... (I can't remember which movies... Anyone?) > > Adrian Hoe > > > > Russ Paielli