From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,bc1361a952ec75ca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-31 08:32:57 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to make Ada a dominant language Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:07:19 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9k6hj9$p51$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <3B6555ED.9B0B0420@sneakemail.com> <9k3l9r$10i2$1@pa.aaanet.ru> <3B656345.64AB603A@sneakemail.com> <9k3oa1$2qg8$1@pa.aaanet.ru> <3B657715.7EC592D9@sneakemail.com> <3B6588FC.6D40C443@sneakemail.com> <87snfe9sir.fsf@520075220525-0001.dialin.t-online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 996592041 25761 136.170.200.133 (31 Jul 2001 15:07:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2001 15:07:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10871 Date: 2001-07-31T15:07:21+00:00 List-Id: Well, there's something to be said for quickly hacking out some lines of code in some settings. When I used to hack together DCL jobs to do some basic file manipulations, etc., I didn't want to spend time considering data types, flow of control, module structure, etc. So Ada could become a royal pain-in-the-posterior if I was forced to use it for quick-and-dirty command-line hacks. But most software is larger and more serious. Someone complaining because they are being forced to think before coding is obviously not doing their job well. They are organically growing code rather than designing it. Not a good thing when you get beyond - oh, what would you say? - a thousand SLOCs? It doesn't take long before you'd better start thinking! MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Ted Dennison" wrote in message news:Joz97.12578$ar1.38154@www.newsranger.com... > In article , Milan Mancel > says... > >What really puts people off Ada is that they cannot hack code like in > >C. In Ada you have to think first. You have to think of correct types > > I have heard this so much from Ada newbies over the years (ones that I'm pretty > sure have *not* heard it from the others), that I begin to think there is a > large amount of truth in it. But I have to admit that I can't hear that > statement without chuckling. > > I shouldn't laugh, because it is meant seriously. But complaining about being > forced to think while programming is like complaining about being forced to > immerse yourself while swimming; it is the very nature of the task. A real > developer can no more sit down at a keyboard and just "hack" out a good program > than a real writer can just sit down at a word-processor and hack out a good > novel. I know some writers who actually formally outline their *emails* before > starting to write them. But for some reason this level of forethought is not > appreciated by the masses where software development is concerned. > > >What I really miss is good and short example code of every Ada concept > >and maybe more libraries and bindings. > > You can find a bit of that in AdaPower's Source Code Treasury ( > http://www.adapower.com/adacode.html ) > > --- > T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html > home email - mailto:dennison@telepath.com