From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,971aa11c293c3db1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-27 15:05:07 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada The Best Language? Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:28:39 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9jsmea$d9a$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 996269322 13610 136.170.200.133 (27 Jul 2001 21:28:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2001 21:28:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10650 Date: 2001-07-27T21:28:42+00:00 List-Id: I'm glad I've got an ally here. I would not be totally shocked to discover that ACT is working on something very much like that. (Put this in the Totally Unfounded Speculation department). After all, a good many of the tools you list are things that ACT already tinkers with. Its not inconceivable to me that they might be integrating some of these things more than they already are & improving their product as a result. Some integration must be happening - how much is yet to be seen. I drove Aonix around a number of years ago - the product was at the time not really mature and suffered some problems as a result. I was also considerably less experienced with Windows programming (which they assumed you knew or would pick up a Windows C/C++ book and learn) at the time, so I didn't get much farther than evaluating the product and deciding that for the mission at hand I didn't want to try to use it. (not enough time to get it all working and the project was short/unimportant and other tools were there to do it.) I believe we looked at their product for the embedded PowerPC on another project and settled on that - but that was someone else's problem at the time. Maybe the environment is more sophisticated & reliable at this juncture? Maybe its worth taking another look at? Maybe its price is down some from (IIRC $700something neighborhood?) I think one of the big disappointments to me with the Aonix environment was that at the time, there was a shortage of documentation on how to use it with Windows - sort of assuming you'd know how to do that from using MSVC++, etc. That, of course, raises the question "Then why not just use MSVC++ since you've got to know it & have it anyway?" I also sort of felt that it should have presented a more Ada-ish feeling to Windows programming - but I can't blame them for not wanting to produce something that would be unfamiliar to the experienced Windows developer. Still, I think it would be good to take a look at where it is at after this much time... MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Beard, Frank" wrote in message news:mailman.996265410.27257.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org... > > While I understand what you're saying, having come from a similar > background, I think the lack of a complete/integrated environment > is exactly the reason you have the shortage of Ada developers. I > like Marin's idea of the "Red Hat" approach to bundling a complete > and powerful environment. If someone had the time and inclination, > they could bundle a package for Unix and one for Windows that > contained something like (forgive me if I get the tools confused): > > - GtkAda > - GLIDE > - GLADE > - ODBC bindings > - a database > - COM/DCOM > - CORBA > - etc (whatever I'm forgetting) > - documentation and examples > > I think it would make an incredible difference. Being one of those > that like the IDE approach, I see it all the time in the Windows > environment. You can't tell me so many migrated to Windows because > they like Bill Gates and just want to make him rich. I have no desire > to start an OS flame, but Windows is much simpler for the end user and > for the developer for general applications. Just look at the suite of > tools available from Micro$oft & Borland (Inprise). Every time our > Delphi people want to implement something there is already and API or > interface available in the tool. All they have to do is call it. I'm > just amazed how fast those guys can crank things out. I want to be > able to do that in Ada, but it would take me weeks if it weren't part > of my environment. > > Just me 0.02, as well. :-) > > Frank