From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,be23df8e7e275d73 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-27 14:34:51 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!194.42.224.136!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!psiuk-p2!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Java portability Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:43:10 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9jsjp1$cbn$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9jh2cs$aon$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net> <2sU67.1485$di7.4670499@nnrp3.proxad.net> <9jhb8u$g3s$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net> <3B5C4A92.647FC2EC@earthlink.net> <2bb77.5186$DL4.5097616@nnrp5.proxad.net> <3B5D5B79.F2DC527E@earthlink.net> <3B5DCE74.C12AA2D8@earthlink.net> <1Zu77.187$EF5.315498@nnrp1.proxad.net> <9jp5eo$e2b$2@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> <9jrdl3$mh2$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> <%hb87.917$%w2.3730577@nnrp3.proxad.net> <9jrt62$38t$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B61C4AF.5B5F4694@ebox.tninet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 996266593 12663 136.170.200.133 (27 Jul 2001 20:43:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2001 20:43:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10649 Date: 2001-07-27T20:43:13+00:00 List-Id: Well, for that matter, when you go buy a Freightliner Tractor, you can buy it without an engine & get one of your own choosing put in there. Or you could buy an F-15 Eagle and choose to put a GE engine (The Bad Guys) or a Pratt & Whitney engine (The Good Guys) in it - but they never came "factory equipped" with one or the other as the default. This is the point where the analogy breaks down ;-) The point being that in the days when language vendors are supplying big class libraries, GUI builders, debuggers, IDEs that do more than edit files, etc. it is going to be hard for Ada to compete unless the same sort of things are available. Saying "Well you can download X from http://whozits.com/ and Y from http://whatchamacallit.org/ and Z from http://somebodyorother.net/ and go compile it yourself and maybe with a few thousand lines of glue software and a few hundred hours of tinkering you can kind of have an 'integrated' environment - and oh, by the way, when you get done with all that code, please be good enough to put it under the GPL and send it to us so we can package it with our stuff and go sell it to someone else..." - its not quite the same thing to the buyer as "Here's your 'B-' compiler with everything you need or want to build apps on platform Whatever. Where's my check for $29.95?" For a niche language with a bunch of enthusiastic hobbyists, hackers & students, maybe the former is "Good Enough" - but then that's where Ada is going to stay. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Stefan Skoglund" wrote in message news:3B61C4AF.5B5F4694@ebox.tninet.se... > Marin David Condic wrote: > > along the lines of "luxury" items in a car since Ada provides all the > > essentials that any programming language needs to provide. (No missing seats > > When Ada is the Rolls-royce company of old. > You could buy your rolls ready-made from the factory > or with no carriage/seats but technically complete > and then commission your local horse-wagoon manufacturer. > > It exist a number of rolls here in Sweden with Stockholm-made > carriage.