From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,be23df8e7e275d73 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-27 10:59:38 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Java portability Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:13:19 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9js7fg$7ld$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9jh2cs$aon$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net> <2sU67.1485$di7.4670499@nnrp3.proxad.net> <9jhb8u$g3s$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net> <3B5C4A92.647FC2EC@earthlink.net> <2bb77.5186$DL4.5097616@nnrp5.proxad.net> <3B5D5B79.F2DC527E@earthlink.net> <3B5DCE74.C12AA2D8@earthlink.net> <1Zu77.187$EF5.315498@nnrp1.proxad.net> <9jp5eo$e2b$2@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> <9jrdl3$mh2$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> <%hb87.917$%w2.3730577@nnrp3.proxad.net> <9jrt62$38t$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B619A6D.5DD6E782@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 996254000 7853 136.170.200.133 (27 Jul 2001 17:13:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2001 17:13:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10644 Date: 2001-07-27T17:13:20+00:00 List-Id: Oh, I think most of us would accept that Ada has superior safety features and that this is important. I think Stanley Allen drew the analogy to a Volvo in an article on AdaPower. He also observed that Volvo had to add some "Sex Appeal" features because people weren't buying it in droves. I'm not saying that lack of safety is a sex appeal feature. I'll bet that Volvos may have gotten sexier but that underneath it all there is still a lot of safety engineering. I think I'd suggest that the fundamentals of Ada are very superior to the fundamentals of most other general purpose languages. I'd even suggest that it had a lot of features that other languages don't have. (Tasking & generics come to mind - analogous to a Borg Warner T-56 six speed racing transmission and an Edelbrock Nitrous Oxide System) Those are all wonderful language attributes, but somewhere along the line the buyer seems to want plush velour seats, a hood scoop, wheel flares and a spoiler and doesn't want them to look like someone installed them with a pop-rivet gun and sprayed Rustoleum on it. The parallel with Ada would be all of the dingleberries hanging around other languages in the way of development tools. They've got them and we don't - at least not in the spiffy package that the buyer has come to expect. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" wrote in message news:3B619A6D.5DD6E782@home.com... > I'd like to offer a slightly different "analogy" : > > _flamesuit on_ > > The shopper looks at the Ada car, and notices that it has seatbelts and > of course 4 doors on it. The programmer says, but I don't want to be > restrained from accessing the outdoors -- I go through drive-throughs > a lot.. > > The shopper than goes down the street and settles on the C++ car > which does not have the restrictive seat belts, and of course, > _NO_ doors to get in the way ;-) The Java car has seatbelts, but > no doors... > > _flamesuit off_