From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,971aa11c293c3db1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-26 12:35:57 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!195.64.68.27!newsgate.cistron.nl!psiuk-p2!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada The Best Language? Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:48:14 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9jpolf$8l6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <5be89e2f.0107170838.c71ad61@posting.google.com> <5be89e2f.0107180235.726d46a8@posting.google.com> <9j3rrd$g71$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net> <5be89e2f.0107181300.4b4e93d7@posting.google.com> <3B57195E.A3A3FED@home.com> <5be89e2f.0107191336.39376b9@posting.google.com> <3B5CE9D7.CB4AE34B@home.com> <5be89e2f.0107250250.2954154c@posting.google.com> <3B5EEE13.BD2B0E4F@home.com> <5be89e2f.0107251349.6078e5b@posting.google.com> <3B605258.3F12BBDD@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 996173295 8870 136.170.200.133 (26 Jul 2001 18:48:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 2001 18:48:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10610 Date: 2001-07-26T18:48:15+00:00 List-Id: Probably the important factors are not finding more productivity studies or arguing the case with one's bosses/peers - although I doubt that hurts. My guess is that a more important factor is/will be the availability of good tools. Well, good tools decidedly already exist. Lets make that "good tools integrated into a development kit". We've heard here about lots of tools - compilers, tools for building GUIs (GtkAda, Claw, Aonix,...) debuggers, editors, APIs (bindings to sockets, web services, OS interfaces, etc.) Most of this stuff is free or at least cheap. The problem is, it isn't all under one roof. That is in my mind one important reason Ada doesn't get accepted where other languages are. Especially by management. There is no integrated Ada solution, but there are integrated C++, Java, etc. solutions. Maybe some of this is in part due to Ada's portability. The emphasis is on tools that can work anywhere and/or developers attempt to address all platforms and all applications. Maybe if effort were concentrated on one area with a goal of bringing up a single development kit (perhaps at least not binding it so close to one platform that it can't possibly be portable) this might be the skinny end of the wedge. Maybe its one seamless install package for a Unix platform that goes head-to-head with Java - class libraries & all. Maybe its one .ZIP file that provides everything you get with MSVC++ and more. Maybe its an embedded development kit going from a PC host to an SBC, complete with development board(s), cables, documents, soup..nuts. One thing I know it isn't is a bunch of disjointed tools that all look different, don't work together seamlessly, come from 42 different web sites and have to be downloaded, tweaked, compiled and coaxed into working at all. No manager wants to dedicate one or more staff member's time to pulling everything together, getting it to work at all and then maintaining it in-house forever unless they have no choice. Guess what? There are choices out there. There are integrated solutions out there and until Ada can compete on an equal footing with them, it will forever remain an "Also Ran". MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" wrote in message news:3B605258.3F12BBDD@home.com... > codesavvy wrote: > > I would love to see Ada more widely adopted and/or the demand increase > > for Ada developers. The case has to be made to management not me. My > > question is, "Is the case for Ada being made effectively?" > > I guess my response is "By whom?" and "Probably not." >