From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,971aa11c293c3db1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-26 07:16:09 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!213.56.195.71!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet!psiuk-p2!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada The Best Language? Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:22:13 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9jp5i6$lu$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <5be89e2f.0107170838.c71ad61@posting.google.com> <5be89e2f.0107180235.726d46a8@posting.google.com> <9j3rrd$g71$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net> <5be89e2f.0107181300.4b4e93d7@posting.google.com> <3B57195E.A3A3FED@home.com> <5be89e2f.0107191336.39376b9@posting.google.com> <3B5CE9D7.CB4AE34B@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 996153734 702 136.170.200.133 (26 Jul 2001 13:22:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 2001 13:22:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10596 Date: 2001-07-26T13:22:14+00:00 List-Id: The Ada IC doesn't appear to have much of a mission (or maybe even funding?) since The Mandate got lifted. You can't really count on their page to be up-to-date. The most maintained website for Ada information is probably http://www.adapower.org/ Pages come and pages go - I don't know that it is any different for any other languages. (Is there some sort of semi-official website for C++, given that it isn't especially "owned" by anybody?) Links break for a variety of reasons (my site appears to be down because the hosting computer appears to belong to a dot-gone company.) so you probably need to have a little patience with it. I don't know of any other language that has nearly as much available information WRT studies of productivity, error reduction, etc. The fact that there are *any* studies of this concerning Ada, I find to be useful. I'd be interested in seeing any other published studies that, for example, indicate that C++ has a big productivity/defect advantage over C (or Fortran or Cobol, or ) (Maybe it isn't "fair" to demand of Ada what isn't demanded of any other language on the planet. We claim Ada is better & have some semi-scientific evidence to back that up. Do other languages have a "No, Ada *isn't* better and here's my study to back it up!" collection of resources?) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "David Bolen" wrote in message news:u1yn5kgv0.fsf@ctwd0143.fitlinxx.com... > "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" writes: > > > The www.adaic.org site is a starting place. See: > > > > http://www.adaic.org/intro/c.html > > > > I am sure that others in this ng can give additional references, and in > > some cases testimonials ;-) > > Not to derail the better language discussion, but I'm not a current > Ada user and have been lurking for a bit here following the various > URLs and what not, and I was curious about one thing I noticed. > > I can't help but be struck by the fact that in almost all cases > (clearly there were a few exceptions), the various documents and > comparisions, and studies, and even some FAQs that I'm able to track > down all seem to be years old at this point (some over 5 years). > > The above URL is a good example. The topmost entry on the above > referenced page (with a banner of "NEW") is from early 1998. Nothing > in the news but a few conferences were later than 1999 and the current > issue of AdaIC news is Fall of 1997. And that seems more the rule > than the exception from my browsing. I've also hit more stray/broken > links on the Ada pages than I've seen in a long time. > > Now clearly there doesn't have to be any strong correlation between > such information and the language's viability itself, nor am I trying > to read too much into it, but I couldn't help but notice it, and it > just seemed strange that I didn't find more active, and more > importantly, recent, bits of information. > > Given that posters here clearly find use of the language in current, > commercial (not just military although that's obviously still true) > environments, is it just a poor net-presence language, or lack of > interest, or am I just looking in the wrong places? > > Thanks. > > -- > -- David > -- > /-----------------------------------------------------------------------\ > \ David Bolen \ E-mail: db3l@fitlinxx.com / > | FitLinxx, Inc. \ Phone: (203) 708-5192 | > / 860 Canal Street, Stamford, CT 06902 \ Fax: (203) 316-5150 \ > \-----------------------------------------------------------------------/