From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7bcba1db9ed24fa7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-16 12:05:51 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: is ada dead? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:21:29 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9ivbba$7ur$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <3B460DA9.C2965042@ix.netcom.com> <9ff447f2.0107061757.34ca0723@posting.google.com> <3B475678.C582735D@worldnet.att.net> <3b478165_3@news3.prserv.net> <3b48d207_1@news3.prserv.net> <3B51DD8A.9FBCA84F@ix.netcom.com> <9iv1pd$3va$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <2$l9ZPZiDd4x@eisner.encompasserve.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 995307690 8155 136.170.200.133 (16 Jul 2001 18:21:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 2001 18:21:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10015 Date: 2001-07-16T18:21:30+00:00 List-Id: Note that I did use the plural - "C++ environmentSSSSSS" :-) As for competition - if there is a significant market there, competitors will get into the game. The problem right now is that Ada has such a (relatively) small share of the market, that nobody wants to go fighting over the scraps. I'd bet that if some vendor offered an Ada kit that started to sell over a million copies, you'd see Bill Gates "embracing and extending" it real fast. Right now though, the Ada vendors are maybe managing to make a living, but nobody wants to compete in a market like that - they want to go for "The Big Score". Maybe this is why we Ada-philes feel lucky to have even one vendor around supporting our favorite platform. If our ranks grew, we'd have more leverage and could start demanding more. As for the GPL thing - I think we could fix that real fast if we actually got the ADCL concept off the ground. We'd probably find *LOTS* of developers who would gladly put their code out for freely available access if they thought there was a chance that down the road somewhere, they might make a buck off of it. Right now with the GPL, you basically get nothing for your contribution, except possibly the ability to earn a buck as a consultant on something you are intimately familiar with because you wrote it and the nice warm fuzzy feeling you get watching Red Hat clean up by selling the code you wrote. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message news:2$l9ZPZiDd4x@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article <9iv1pd$3va$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, "Marin David Condic" writes: > > One of the things that would go a long way to countering the misinformation > > and overcoming the objections about tools, etc, would be to have an > > inexpensive development toolkit sitting on the shelf next to the C++ > > environments with equivalent & better features at a competitive price. > > But there is not one C compiler, there are many. > > That brings up another problem Ada faces, a lack of competition. > Advocates are happy just to get one compiler for an environment, > but there is never the competition that gets one vendor trying to > outdo the other in features desired by the customer base. > > I believe that is also a shortcoming of Freeware, GPL, etc. > Supporters are inclined to rally around the (single) flag > than try to do something with broader appeal to the public.