From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 1158e3,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gid1158e3,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-19 07:45:18 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!isdnet!psinet-france!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,ccomp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:23:17 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9gnn8m$979$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g840k$qjt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <40gfitgrvd8cgu27r3vfib6eptmapb3pfl@4ax.com> <9g8lrk$37c$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B2B6D5E.F9AE7CAB@mail.com> <9gl0sh$9gq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b2f40fc$7$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 992960598 9449 136.170.200.133 (19 Jun 2001 14:23:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2001 14:23:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8892 comp.lang.java.programmer:77369 comp.lang.pl1:1100 comp.lang.vrml:3874 comp.lang.java.advocacy:21457 Date: 2001-06-19T14:23:18+00:00 List-Id: How far back can you remember? :-) Seriously. I worked in a datacenter where the programming for the whole organization was done in a central location by an MIS department and batch jobs were run by the computer operators and all anybody had was dumb terminals. There may have been *pockets* of development taking place outside of MIS (the model was already beginning to crumble because of mini computers) but basically, if you wanted some program developed or changed, you had to go through MIS. (We were infinitely more responsive to customer change requests than Microsoft will ever be given that your chances of asking them to change something about MS-Word and getting anything but laughter are zero.) The big mainframe stored all your code and all your data and had all the advantages that Bill Gates is claiming for his internet based central repository - access to your data & programs from wherever you happen to be (if a terminal was there) and immediate updates of any code as they occur. The disadvantages are all those we had with centralized MIS departments/mainframes and then some. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" wrote in message news:3b2f40fc$7$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net... > > A model that has no basis in reality. Applications developement was > decentralized for as far back as I can remember. Santayana. >