From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 1158e3,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gid1158e3,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-16 16:08:10 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!news.internetia.pl!news.tpi.pl!news.icm.edu.pl!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!not-for-mail From: "Joseph T. Adams" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,ccomp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Date: 16 Jun 2001 23:08:03 GMT Organization: Quality Data Division of JTAE Message-ID: <9ggosj$68s$1@plonk.apk.net> References: <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g840k$qjt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <40gfitgrvd8cgu27r3vfib6eptmapb3pfl@4ax.com> <9g8lrk$37c$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9ganmu$pj5$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <1eaW6.8954$pb1.343242@www.newsranger.com> <9lhlit0pt6711apais5d9o1n07i7q7u15p@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: junior.apk.net X-Trace: plonk.apk.net 992732883 6428 207.54.158.20 (16 Jun 2001 23:08:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@apk.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2001 23:08:03 GMT User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4u)) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8812 comp.lang.java.programmer:76935 comp.lang.pl1:1064 comp.lang.vrml:3841 comp.lang.java.advocacy:21326 Date: 2001-06-16T23:08:03+00:00 List-Id: In comp.lang.java.advocacy Roedy Green wrote: : On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:43:25 GMT, Ted Dennison : wrote or quoted : :>0) The freedom to run the software for any purpose. :>1) The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs :>2) The freedom to redistribute copies. :>3) The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the :>public. : Do (1) and (2) imply free in the ordinary sense? I consider "freedom" far more important than "price," but both terms are part of the ordinary meaning of "free" although the context implies that you are referring to the second meaning ("price"). Nothing in any of these items implies "zero price," but item (3) places a practical upper limit on how much can be charged, because once you have the software, you are free to redistribute it with or without a fee. So can anyone else. In practice, this means you can't sell free software itself, although you can sell packaging, branding, support, and services in connection with it. : May I do this without : having to pay a fee to the originator? Absolutely yes, because if you didn't, then you would not have freedom #3. The person *distributing* the software might ask you for a fee. He or she has every right to do so. Of course you also have the right to find another distributor who might charge less, or perhaps even nothing at all. Joe