From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 1158e3,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gid1158e3,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-14 23:59:12 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!not-for-mail From: "Joseph T. Adams" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,ccomp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Date: 15 Jun 2001 06:59:09 GMT Organization: Quality Data Division of JTAE Message-ID: <9gcbnt$peq$1@plonk.apk.net> References: <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g840k$qjt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <40gfitgrvd8cgu27r3vfib6eptmapb3pfl@4ax.com> <9g8lrk$37c$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9ganmu$pj5$1@nh.pace.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: junior.apk.net X-Trace: plonk.apk.net 992588349 26074 207.54.158.20 (15 Jun 2001 06:59:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@apk.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2001 06:59:09 GMT User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4u)) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8768 comp.lang.java.programmer:76566 comp.lang.pl1:1044 comp.lang.vrml:3818 comp.lang.java.advocacy:21209 Date: 2001-06-15T06:59:09+00:00 List-Id: In comp.lang.java.advocacy Ted Dennison wrote: : In article <9ganmu$pj5$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, Marin David Condic says... :> :>I'll second that notion. For better or worse, people have come to associate :>the word "Free" as meaning "No $$$ Charged" when the word is connected to a : .. :>me nothing but my time - not the case...) They probably should have used the :>word "Open" as in "Open Architecture" or "Open Standard" or "Open Source" - :>you can see inside and use it in any way you like - you might still have to :>*pay* for it, but once you do, there are no unreasonable restrictions on its :>use. : "Open" doesn't quite reach it, because there's no implication that the right to : redistribute is present, only the right to inspect. : "Liberated" is actually a little closer to what I think they were shooting for. : However, that word implies previous enslavement, which isn't quite right either. Free software by definition respects the freedom of users. Proprietary software by definition asks users to give up many of their rights in exchange for using it, and most commonly, one of the rights it asks them to give up is the right to see the source code and therefore to know exactly what they are getting. This differs from feudalism, and therefore slavery, only in degree, not in kind. Joe