From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ad19,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ad19,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 107a89,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid107a89,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-14 07:15:57 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!netnews.com!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed.planete.net!psinet-france!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml Subject: Re: Software Lawsuits (was: LOng names are doom ?) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:56:45 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9gafqu$m1g$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <3B2726BA.64E002D0@dresdner-bank.com> <9g7cuv$hd9$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> <3B278996.4DE8D7A8@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 992527006 22576 136.170.200.133 (14 Jun 2001 13:56:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jun 2001 13:56:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8722 comp.lang.awk:3054 comp.lang.clarion:21913 comp.lang.java.programmer:76311 comp.lang.pl1:1023 comp.lang.vrml:3792 Date: 2001-06-14T13:56:46+00:00 List-Id: One has an obligation to read and understand the contract before signing and courts are very reluctant to overturn a contract on the grounds that you didn't. There *are* cases, but they tend to be rare and usually involve unusual circumstances. Courts tend to want to favor your freedom to enter into a binding legal arrangement - at least in part because the alternative is to have them constantly reviewing everything and fashioning "just" solutions for you. If every agreement is automatically thrown out and renegotiated in a courtroom, then what is the point of fashioning contracts in the first place? My advise is *never* sign anything without reading it. I'd add the advice I got from my contract law prof: 1) *Never* turn loose of the money! 2) *NEVER* - under any circumstances - do business with children!!! MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message news:d3n+NB1QLFsf@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article , Roedy Green writes: > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:41:10 -0500, Wes Groleau > > wrote or quoted : > > > >>How many of us even read the last paragraph before the signature? The one > >>that says, > >> "I have read and understood this document and have received a copy." > >> > > > > Would there not be some principle that said if the vendor hid a clause > > that you promised your first born son, that it would be unenforceable > > because no reasonable person would expect to find such a clause in > > such a contract. Surely such a strange provision should be widely > > known. > > A Westlaw search finds one such case decided in the manner you describe, > but there are not many decided on that point (in either direction).