From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3885b7fd66a1db28 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-07 18:44:22 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Creem" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <15FN9.2313$c6.2612@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com> <8ivo1vo5ir3piqsck4ondj0cuo47g426kf@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <9gMS9.483613$GR5.189928@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.5.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1041993861 66.31.5.146 (Wed, 08 Jan 2003 02:44:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 02:44:21 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 02:44:21 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:32718 Date: 2003-01-08T02:44:21+00:00 List-Id: I hate to feed the trolls (ok maybe not)...But even if Ada were to vanish off the face of the Earth, many of the concepts that I have heard others complain about over the years have been adopted by the current "popular" languages... I am not sure about Dijkstra's complaints (here are some http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd06xx/EWD663.PDF but they do not seem to be real attacks on the language but more the style of the spec. They also seem pretty valid) Common ones I have heard over the years from others were 1) "Too complicated" (hmm, and C++ is easy) 2) "Exceptions, yuck, I want to return a status." (hmm, C++, C# and Java seem to like them) 3) "Too slow." (hmm, and we all know what a speed freak Java is...) There are others, some may even be true. This is now two posts in two days for me. One replying to the classic VHS v.s. BETA where Ada played the roll of Beta (better but still lost) and now this one (worse and should have lost).... It seems to me the #1 reason that Ada does not grow is much more simple. People choose languages and polititians the same way they pick teams in a Superbowl gambling pool. They are more worried about picking the winner so they can be "right" then they are about applying critical thinking and making an intellegent selection. "faust" wrote in message news:8ivo1vo5ir3piqsck4ondj0cuo47g426kf@4ax.com... > Wes Groleau , emitted these fragments: > > >Dijkstra was also the guy who condemned various features of > >Ada--features that have since been shown to be very valuable. > > Shown by whom ? > > The rapidly growing Ada community ?