From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1158e3,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gid1158e3,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-13 09:46:29 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!isdnet!newsfeed.planete.net!psinet-france!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,ccomp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy Subject: Re: Long names are doom ? Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:22:43 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9g840k$qjt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9fli1b$4aa$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 992449364 27261 136.170.200.133 (13 Jun 2001 16:22:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 16:22:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8668 comp.lang.java.programmer:76010 comp.lang.pl1:997 comp.lang.vrml:3760 comp.lang.java.advocacy:20994 Date: 2001-06-13T16:22:44+00:00 List-Id: That seems to be a misunderstanding of markets. Seems a few years ago, GM, Ford & Chrysler were having all sorts of hardships over "Quality" because apparently, once "Quality" was available from another source, people were staying away from American automakers in droves. "Quality" means different things to different people at different times. Sometimes "Quality" is a nice crystal Stubenware wineglass. Sometimes "Quality" is an inexpensive Dixie cup that will hold water for a brief time before failing. "Quality" is not synonymous with "never breaks". A quick-and-dirty program that patches some disk problem for me at zero cost can "break" in unusual conditions that I never produce & still be "Quality" If market forces won't favor reliable software, I submit that this needs to be demonstrated. Find an unreliable product with no competing reliable product available. Produce a reliable product at a similar price and with similar features and with a similar marketing budget. (IOW, all other parameters held constant) Will the public purchase the Reliable product or the P.O.S.? I think if we duplicated the functionality of - say - Netscape, only wrote it in Ada so that it didn't periodically lock up, core dump, etc., & made it available under similar terms, it would probably become the browser of choice. (Of course, my current copy of Explorer seems to be working with more reliability than the version of Netscape I have, so there *is* a better quality product in the market. Hard to test the theory unless AdaBrowser (tm) is more reliable than that.) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Ted Dennison" wrote in message news:kbLV6.6795$pb1.259296@www.newsranger.com... > In article <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, Marin David Condic says... > > Its a fallacy that the market cares about quality. Sure users whine about lack > of it, once they get the product. But before that point, they just want the damn > product yesterday (and as cheap as possible), no matter how badly it works. > Mostly its us *developers* who care about quality. After all, who wants to spend > their life whole building shoddy crap? (Its rhetorical; please, don't answer. > :-) ) > > For a good reference on this subject read "Worse is Better" ( > http://www.ai.mit.edu/docs/articles/good-news/subsection3.2.1.html ) > > It also provides a pretty good explanation of why C is more widely used than > pretty much every language whose group this thread is crossposted to. > > --- > T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html > home email - mailto:dennison@telepath.com