From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1158e3,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gid1158e3,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-13 07:06:27 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!isdnet!psinet-france!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,ccomp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy Subject: Re: Long names are doom ? Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:48:50 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9fli1b$4aa$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 992440130 23282 136.170.200.133 (13 Jun 2001 13:48:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:48:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8653 comp.lang.java.programmer:75965 comp.lang.pl1:992 comp.lang.vrml:3753 comp.lang.java.advocacy:20975 Date: 2001-06-13T13:48:50+00:00 List-Id: I don't think that would work. The "California Effect" in all likelyhood is going to be to drive business out of California. (Notice how California has steadfastly produced stringent environmental regulations that have basically made it impossible to build power plants or affordable housing. Now property values are astronomical and electricity is in short supply. Net effect: Businesses and individuals start looking for other places to live & work.) The Law Of Unintended Consequences is what's going to get you here... If (hypothetically) California were to produce stringent product liability regulations on software and/or advertising laws, etc. that attempted to make software manufacturers responsible for defects in quality and workmanship, you'd likely see some strange effects. For example - a "gray market" - I don't sell my software in California because of the liability - I sell it on the Internet from the Caymen Islands. If I *do* sell it in California, the price tag goes *way* up to cover all the liability lawsuits. Lots of things would happen, but I don't think one of them would be better software across the board - at least not any time soon. (and in the long run, I'll be dead!) Better to rely on market forces for this kind of thing. If someone came out with an equivalent to Micro$oft Office & made it more reliable & stable, they'd have some advertising edge. "We - unlike our unnamed competitors whos initials are "Micro$oft" - stand behind our product with the following guarantee....." IOW, if it is *possible* to build a better mousetrap then the answer is to *build* it and start selling it. The world will follow. (Notice the threat posed to Micro$oft by Linux? Better moustrap? Path beaten to the door? Markets can work to solve these problems.) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Roedy Green" wrote in message news:enoditglutmp6d4bmlfaddt9qipf0n8cbp@4ax.com... > On 12 Jun 2001 21:21:22 GMT, damercer@mmm.com (Dan Mercer) wrote or > quoted : > The law in the US is just one part of the equation. If even part of > the world community toughens the laws, you get the California effect. > > E.g California creates stiffer emissions laws. To play in that market > car makers must devise new technology to comply. Eventually that > spins off to all jurisdictions. It costs no more to do it right for > the other jurisdictions. > > If Canada and Europe start demanding truth in advertising Americans > would immensely benefit. It costs less to emit the good software to > everyone than maintain a separate buggy version. > > > > > For more detail, please look up the key words mentioned in this post in > the Java Glossary at: http://mindprod.com/gloss.html > > -- > Roedy Green, Canadian Mind Products > Custom computer programming since 1963. Ready to take on new work.