From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ad19,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ad19,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 107a89,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid107a89,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-07 15:26:15 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!isdnet!psinet-france!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml Subject: Re: Long names are doom ? Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:04:32 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9f8b7b$h0e$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9f8r0i$lu3$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fgagu$6ae$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fjgha$blf$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <35mqhtkdfma2rggv1htcaq6vfn2ihs67a1@4ax.com> <9fli1b$4aa$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Organization: LJK Software <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 991951474 4742 136.170.200.133 (7 Jun 2001 22:04:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2001 22:04:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8364 comp.lang.awk:2865 comp.lang.clarion:21367 comp.lang.java.programmer:74537 comp.lang.pl1:872 comp.lang.vrml:3612 Date: 2001-06-07T22:04:34+00:00 List-Id: When I was in kindergarden, the teacher gave us these sage words of advice: "Hot things burn. Sharp things cut." You *expect* coffee to be hot - that's the point. If it was cold, you would complain. Through your own carelessness, a thing expected to be what it is is actually what it is and it does you harm. That is the fault of McDonalds? OTOH, One *expects* software to work just like one expects their car to work or their TV to work. (O.K. We all know better, but why do we stand for it?) When it doesn't do what it is expected to do, we let the manufacturer off the hook - even when there are proven methods for making software more reliable and they are not followed? MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Benjamin.Altman" wrote in message news:3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov... > Cause you don't expect coffee do give you 3rd degree burns, but everyone knows > that the software is unsafe or buggy when they buy it (not excuse, but...) > > Marin David Condic wrote: > > > Ladders are supposed to be so overly expensive here specifically because of > > all the product liability insurance the manufacturers have to carry. What > > I'd like to know is how come a woman can spill hot coffee in her lap, sue > > McDonalds for making the coffee hot & *win*, yet nobody seems to be able to > > sue Bell Labs or Micro$oft for manufacturing operating systems with *known* > > unsafe technology. (Comes The Revolution, the lawyers will be the second > > ones up against the wall, right after the entire marketing department of > > Cirrus Cybernetics Corporation! :-) > > > > As for the hammer? I'd suggest OSHA require they all be wrapped in > > styrofoam. :-) > > > > MDC > > -- > > Marin David Condic > > Senior Software Engineer > > Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com > > Enabling the digital revolution > > e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com > > Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ > > > > "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message > > news:FzmIx3$T4lbd@eisner.encompasserve.org... > > > In article , Pete Thompson > > writes: > > > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:58:13 GMT, Ted Dennison > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lawsuits over bugs?! Say it ain't so! > > > > > > > > In all seriousness, yes you could try to use safeguards, but there are > > cases > > > > where you simply cannot defend someone from themselves. How would you > > put > > > > safeguards on a hammer? > > > > > > Remember that in the good old US of A manufacturers of aluminum > > > ladders are obliged to attach labels telling the user not to lean > > > the aluminum ladder against an overhead power wire. >