From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ad19,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ad19,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 11440e,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid11440e,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 107a89,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid107a89,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-04 08:05:28 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!isdnet!psinet-france!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml Subject: Re: Long names are doom ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:41:55 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9fg6nk$4rv$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <3B0DBD4A.82943473@my-deja.net> <3B0DD011.88FCD00E@acm.org> <83WP6.3874$yc6.728572@news.xtra.co.nz> <3B1411D0.3AAF42E7@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> <9f2v82$hp7$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b1ad864$4$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.170.200.133 X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 991665716 4991 136.170.200.133 (4 Jun 2001 14:41:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2001 14:41:56 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ruby:10369 comp.lang.ada:8066 comp.lang.awk:2719 comp.lang.clarion:21018 comp.lang.java.programmer:73376 comp.lang.pl1:720 comp.lang.vrml:3452 Date: 2001-06-04T14:41:56+00:00 List-Id: Oh, I *have* a debugger with the Ada compiler I use. I just never turn it on. I don't even know how. :-) Here's a thing: Debuggers in and of themselves are not a bad thing. This is especially true with embedded systems where you need a debugger (or maybe more properly a "monitor") in order to watch the code run - something often invisible within an embedded machine. The thing is that in my experience, use of C/C++ means you end up heavily reliant on the debugger in the act of code development because you just have no choice. I've spent probably over 15 years in active, full time, professional Ada development and almost never used a debugger. (Monitors in embedded machines being a sort-of exception.) When I started using MSVC++ on a regular, full time basis, I was impressed with the capabilities of the debugger that came with it. It *had* to be impressive, because you *had* to use it to get the code working. There may be debuggers that work with Ada that have ten times the capability. I just couldn't tell you because I never needed one to get an Ada program working. Ever. (Maybe that's just because I'm so brilliant, but I don't think so. I think its because the compiler catches all the stupid mistakes up front or at least gives you runtime exceptions if it has to wait until then to detect the error.) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" wrote in message news:3b1ad864$4$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net... > When I programmed in Ada we had a debugger. We also used names long > enough to be intelligible to other programmers. Use opaque > abbreviations and you wouldn't make it through code review. > > "What's a code review?" > >