From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,899fc98b2883af4a X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-16 18:55:20 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: softeng3456@netscape.net (soft-eng) Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Date: 16 May 2003 18:55:19 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: <9fa75d42.0305161755.3590e662@posting.google.com> References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <7507f79d.0305121629.5b8b7369@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305130543.60381450@posting.google.com> <254c16a.0305140549.3a87281b@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305141747.5680c577@posting.google.com> <3EC3D737.6020509@attbi.com> <9fa75d42.0305160924.2bf76373@posting.google.com> <3EC539FA.1040500@attbi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.243.127.233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1053136520 18710 127.0.0.1 (17 May 2003 01:55:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2003 01:55:20 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:63972 comp.object:63591 comp.lang.ada:37429 comp.software-eng:19251 Date: 2003-05-17T01:55:20+00:00 List-Id: "Robert I. Eachus" wrote in message news:<3EC539FA.1040500@attbi.com>... > soft-eng wrote: > > > Other times are when the bug is very intermittent > > and cannot be duplicated and you have to proceed > > blindly, based on theories that are sometimes half-baked. > > We call those Heisenbugs. Converting a Heisenbug to a Bohrbug that you > can reproduce is often the first part of fixing the problem. GC has made a class of these "Heisenbugs" go away that used to result from dynamic memory management issues. But it can add some very mysterious bugs of its own -- e.g. if you use weak references, and if a bug results from a logical error in there, it can be extremely hard to reproduce.