From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11232c,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,25d5234e7b6ca361 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-02-28 06:15:44 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: softeng3456@netscape.net (soft-eng) Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada,misc.misc Subject: Re: Ada versus language-X and "getting real work done" (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Date: 28 Feb 2003 06:15:44 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: <9fa75d42.0302280615.3f6640c3@posting.google.com> References: <3E4E8F8C.9C096985@adaworks.com> <9fa75d42.0302250710.5549baaf@posting.google.com> <3E5C7033.BD5DC462@adaworks.com> <9fa75d42.0302260618.7506cba7@posting.google.com> <3E5CF5C6.84822F57@adaworks.com> <9fa75d42.0302270726.665fee77@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.239.16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1046441744 6905 127.0.0.1 (28 Feb 2003 14:15:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2003 14:15:44 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:59453 comp.object:58623 comp.lang.ada:34718 misc.misc:12221 Date: 2003-02-28T14:15:44+00:00 List-Id: xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan) wrote in message news:... > specifically to escape having to convert a shop of die-hard > Fortran programmers to be Ada programmers. Their exemption Which is of course, a piece of cake. To convert die-hard Fortran programmers to be Ada programmers. That's what I meant by the "get the task done" crowd. The Fortran programmers didn't want to learn Ada doesn't mean they were stupid. It just might mean they were very involved in the equations and stuff, rather than the computer language aspect of it. Your way -- the group spends lots of time and money on trying to teach Ada to Fortran programmers. A lot of Fortran programmers move on, the continuity is completely disrupted... Just so Xanthian can be happy that rules were followed to the t. Getting the task done, for a management level personnel, means making sure he doesn't lose half his staff and then has to hire and train a whole lot of new people. It also includes making sure the staff is happy with the work. It's like the seargent doing whatever it takes, taking advantage of loopholes in the well meaing but naive liuetenant's orders. And if some grunt then goes around to complain to the lieutenant, he better be ready to get chewed out. If the army started court-marshalling all those "get-the-job-done" seargents, it would fall apart.