From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-13 05:50:00 PST Path: archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.usyd.edu.au!mwotton From: mwotton@hons.cs.usyd.edu.au (Mark Wotton) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: [OT] Software Engineering at 14 Date: 13 May 2001 12:48:03 GMT Organization: Mare's Nest Collective Message-ID: <9dlvq3$sbf$1@spacebar.ucc.usyd.edu.au> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <87snihxiwc.fsf@frown.here> <9dbi83$sji$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87heyu7cqd.fsf@frown.here> <9dc20p$hh15e$1@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9ddfv2$gl3$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <9dh21o$i8crr$2@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9dhtr9$59d$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <9dji16$irbvv$2@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9dlgj3$ies$1@bird.wu-wien.ac.at> <9dloc8$d4p$1@spacebar.ucc.usyd.edu.au> <9dlt85$msa$1@bird.wu-wien.ac.at> Reply-To: mwotton@student.usyd.MUNGedu.au NNTP-Posting-Host: p19992.net10.usyd.edu.au X-Trace: spacebar.ucc.usyd.edu.au 989758083 29039 10.0.78.24 (13 May 2001 12:48:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.usyd.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2001 12:48:03 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (UNIX) Xref: archiver1.sj.google.com comp.lang.ada:7454 comp.lang.lisp:9946 comp.lang.smalltalk:9635 comp.lang.functional:5598 comp.lang.scheme:3766 comp.lang.perl:2706 Date: 2001-05-13T12:48:03+00:00 List-Id: On Sun, 13 May 2001 12:04:21 +0000 (UTC), Markus Mottl posted: >In comp.lang.functional Mark Wotton wrote: >> Well, yes, actually. At least when I went through, doing at least one >> humanities subject was compulsory all the way through to year 12, >> which happens to be the year I turned 18. This doesn't include the >> study of literature and English, which is also compulsory. > >> This should not be taken as an indictment on Austria's educational system: >> it's just a data point. > >You are extrapolating from your experience to the one of others. In >an age where you still sit in school, others usually already have to >work as apprentice so we are already only talking about a fraction of >the population. Not in Australia. We have universal free public schooling: I'd be very much surprised if less than 80% of current students completed 13 years of schooling. (My school is probably not the best example, as only 2 people out of 180 in the cohort did not go through to year 12.) >Anyway, in Austria most part of the pupils who seek higher education >go to grammar schools rather than the professionally oriented higher >schools as Andreas does (is it really wrong to give people this option?). I drew no moral comparisons. >So really, better inform yourself about educational systems of other >countries before making unjustified claims. In contrast to many other >systems, this is the standard of our _public_ schools where everybody >can go to irrespective of social status and income. I was talking about the standard High School certificate. I checked the website (http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/) and a maximum of 6 out of 10 units can be from the sciences. This is the standard for *all* schools, public or private, in my state (NSW): other states are similar. mrak