From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-13 05:47:30 PST Path: archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.tele.dk!141.201.2.63!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!newsfeed.wu-wien.ac.at!not-for-mail From: Markus Mottl Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: [OT] Software Engineering at 14 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Organization: University of Economics and Business Administration, Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <9dlvo3$msa$2@bird.wu-wien.ac.at> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <87snihxiwc.fsf@frown.here> <9dbi83$sji$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87heyu7cqd.fsf@frown.here> <9dc20p$hh15e$1@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9ddfv2$gl3$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <9dh21o$i8crr$2@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9dhtr9$59d$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <7iurft0hbh4ilp040t9vob6bmhbfsavgkb@4ax.com> <9dliea$ies$2@bird.wu-wien.ac.at> <3AFE724C.31E70509@hello.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: miss.wu-wien.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: bird.wu-wien.ac.at 989758019 23434 137.208.107.17 (13 May 2001 12:46:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@wu-wien.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:46:59 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-981225 ("Volcane") (UNIX) (OSF1/V4.0 (alpha)) Xref: archiver1.sj.google.com comp.lang.ada:7453 comp.lang.lisp:9945 comp.lang.smalltalk:9634 comp.lang.functional:5597 comp.lang.scheme:3765 comp.lang.perl:2705 Date: 2001-05-13T12:46:59+00:00 List-Id: In comp.lang.functional Karel Th�nissen wrote: > This minister was fired within a week, so the similarity with many of > the countries mentioned earlier is rather weak: they did as they > preached. So what? Our president refused the appointments of two ministers and this "only", because they had made statements with a racist touch - something which is not too uncommon among foreign politicians of even "politically correct" parties either. Other ministers were fired out of different reasons, none of them being related to racist or extremist activities. I think that our democratic institutions still work fine (which doesn't mean that I am happy about our current government). > Bollocks. The minister of foreign affairs was the federal minister. The > person that you call minister of internal affairs was not a federal > minister: he was minister of internal affairs for Flanders. Note that > he did not survive the political debate within the Flemish parliament. Right, but this just makes the situation even more interesting: how comes that a country (Belgium) that attempts to stand as one has different governments for, ahem, different ethnic groups (regions)? Does the term "Vlaams Blok" ring a bell (and Sauwens isn't even member of this extreme-right party so better don't ask how extremist those are!)? Have you ever heard of ethnic clashes in Austria with Slovenian or Hungarian minorities? I haven't. Just to make sure, I am not bashing Belgium as a whole. It's only double moral if people of a country that has sufficient problems with the extreme right point with a finger and say "All of you ...". In any case, it doesn't make things any better that Sauwens does not represent the whole of Belgium. Even if it was "only" Flanders, he still had enough representative power to be internationally known (e.g. I remember that he once visited Austria to establish economic connections). Again: what is so bad about Austria (or so good about other countries) that even some people of technically oriented newgroups can't resist the temptation of bashing it as a whole (rather than specific aspects)? I have never given my vote to any right-winged party so how do I deserve reading criticism that is general enough to cover even me? Don't you realize that this kind of generalizing, simple-minded criticism is exactly what right-winged politicians need to gain votes? Regards, Markus Mottl -- Markus Mottl, mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at, http://miss.wu-wien.ac.at/~mottl