From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-13 05:06:00 PST Path: archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!freenix!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!newsfeed.wu-wien.ac.at!not-for-mail From: Markus Mottl Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: [OT] Software Engineering at 14 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Organization: University of Economics and Business Administration, Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <9dlt85$msa$1@bird.wu-wien.ac.at> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <87snihxiwc.fsf@frown.here> <9dbi83$sji$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87heyu7cqd.fsf@frown.here> <9dc20p$hh15e$1@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9ddfv2$gl3$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <9dh21o$i8crr$2@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9dhtr9$59d$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <9dji16$irbvv$2@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9dlgj3$ies$1@bird.wu-wien.ac.at> <9dloc8$d4p$1@spacebar.ucc.usyd.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: miss.wu-wien.ac.at X-Trace: bird.wu-wien.ac.at 989755461 23434 137.208.107.17 (13 May 2001 12:04:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@wu-wien.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:04:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-981225 ("Volcane") (UNIX) (OSF1/V4.0 (alpha)) Xref: archiver1.sj.google.com comp.lang.ada:7452 comp.lang.lisp:9944 comp.lang.smalltalk:9633 comp.lang.functional:5596 comp.lang.scheme:3764 comp.lang.perl:2703 Date: 2001-05-13T12:04:21+00:00 List-Id: In comp.lang.functional Mark Wotton wrote: > Well, yes, actually. At least when I went through, doing at least one > humanities subject was compulsory all the way through to year 12, > which happens to be the year I turned 18. This doesn't include the > study of literature and English, which is also compulsory. > This should not be taken as an indictment on Austria's educational system: > it's just a data point. You are extrapolating from your experience to the one of others. In an age where you still sit in school, others usually already have to work as apprentice so we are already only talking about a fraction of the population. Anyway, in Austria most part of the pupils who seek higher education go to grammar schools rather than the professionally oriented higher schools as Andreas does (is it really wrong to give people this option?). E.g. in my school fine arts and music were both compulsory until year 10 (age 16), then you had to choose one of them. History, geography, German, English and either Latin or French were compulsory up to the last year, and this was a school that specialized in _nature science_. Humanist grammar schools usually teach Latin, old Greek, French, English and German as compulsory subjects nearly all the way through and usually also encourage pupils to take another language. Of course, the other subjects aren't neglected either... So really, better inform yourself about educational systems of other countries before making unjustified claims. In contrast to many other systems, this is the standard of our _public_ schools where everybody can go to irrespective of social status and income. Regards, Markus Mottl -- Markus Mottl, mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at, http://miss.wu-wien.ac.at/~mottl