From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-13 02:00:03 PST Path: archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!freenix!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!newsfeed.wu-wien.ac.at!not-for-mail From: Markus Mottl Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: [OT] Software Engineering at 14 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 08:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Organization: University of Economics and Business Administration, Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <9dliea$ies$2@bird.wu-wien.ac.at> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87snihxiwc.fsf@frown.here> <9dbi83$sji$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87heyu7cqd.fsf@frown.here> <9dc20p$hh15e$1@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9ddfv2$gl3$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <9dh21o$i8crr$2@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9dhtr9$59d$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <7iurft0hbh4ilp040t9vob6bmhbfsavgkb@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: miss.wu-wien.ac.at X-Trace: bird.wu-wien.ac.at 989744394 18908 137.208.107.17 (13 May 2001 08:59:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@wu-wien.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 08:59:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-981225 ("Volcane") (UNIX) (OSF1/V4.0 (alpha)) Xref: archiver1.sj.google.com comp.lang.ada:7446 comp.lang.lisp:9940 comp.lang.smalltalk:9629 comp.lang.functional:5586 comp.lang.scheme:3760 comp.lang.perl:2699 Date: 2001-05-13T08:59:54+00:00 List-Id: In comp.lang.functional raj wrote: >>what good does it do to remember this, precisely? it seems that this tells >>me as much about the austrian educational system as, say, an account of the >>australian history with, for instance, a special focus on the fate of the >>indigenous population after the arrival of the british tells me about what >>goes on in the schools down under. i.e., nothing. > Remembering is ultimately the only defence we have. Remembering is good, and it is understandable that the international community is especially watchful about Austria, though this is rationally a rather weakly founded attitude given the unimportance of this small country in political and economical terms. There is no scientific basis for believing that Austria is any more likely to suffer a political turn to the extreme right than most other countries (better watch elections in Italy today and pray that Berlusconi, who is cooperating with the neo-fascists, doesn't make it into government). The example of Belgium, the country that most strongly supported the sanctions (*) against the Austrian government, shows how easy it is to see the splinter in someone else's eye but not the log in one's own. Whereas their foreign minister participated in heavy criticism against Austria, their minister of internal affairs was a member of an SS-organisation over the last 25 (!) years as was recently discovered (he was fired, he didn't go voluntarily). I don't want to know what would have happened if Austria had dared to proclaim such ministers in crucial positions. We might have been nuked. Regards, Markus Mottl (*) - I was intially also in favour of the international sanctions against the formation of our current government until it became evident that the effect was counter-productive: over time part of the population felt that those sanctions were addressed against them rather than the government and therefore took a defensive position that supported the government. -- Markus Mottl, mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at, http://miss.wu-wien.ac.at/~mottl