From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,FREEMAIL_FROM, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-12 07:34:02 PST Path: archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!freenix!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!62.46.247.7!not-for-mail From: a.krennmair@aon.at (Andreas Krennmair) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: [OT] Software Engineering at 14 (was: Re: Beginner's Language?) Date: 12 May 2001 14:33:09 GMT Organization: Church Of Tux Message-ID: <9djhj4$irbvv$1@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87snihxiwc.fsf@frown.here> <9dbi83$sji$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87heyu7cqd.fsf@frown.here> <9dc20p$hh15e$1@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9ddfv2$gl3$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <9dh21o$i8crr$2@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9dhtr9$59d$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> Reply-To: a.krennmair@aon.at NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.46.247.7 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 989677989 19771391 62.46.247.7 (16 [37382]) X-Orig-Path: a.krennmair X-Signature-Color: green X-Registered-Linux-User: 142096 X-Die-wahre-Distro: Debian X-Signature-License: GPL User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.0 (Linux) Xref: archiver1.sj.google.com comp.lang.ada:7422 comp.lang.lisp:9910 comp.lang.smalltalk:9605 comp.lang.functional:5565 comp.lang.scheme:3738 comp.lang.perl:2671 Date: 2001-05-12T14:33:09+00:00 List-Id: FM wrote: > > You mean the age? That's not a problem. > > Specialized education at that age, to be honest, seems militaristic. Nobody is forced to go to that school. If somebody's not talented, he will leave school after one year anyway. > As much as it might be inevitable, this practice of limiting young > people's options and permanently dividing them into different classes > for the future before they are even close to being adult, frightens > my humanistic side. I'm not sure if I see any tangible benefit either. The other side is that you get a great job already at an age of 19 to 20 (depends on your sex: young men have to go to the Austrian army for 8 months) with a salary of at least ATS 30000 (EUR 2180). And those who are in the higher classes are very motivated because everybody likes the stuff they're doing. > Why not start admitting 8-year olds? They are surely capable. You don't have a general comprehensive education at an age of 8, but you have one at an age of 14. That's what mostly left out on this school, only a little bit of geography, chemistry and history, no arts subject or something, and quite a lot of physics and maths. > > The most interesting project of the last few year was > > e.g. an operating system (search for SkyOS on google). > > I get some extremely annoying shockwave nonsense that says SkyOS is > the most powerful OS on earth with no other content. Indeed, it isn't, but it's a proof a concept, and a really great achievement for that age, isn't it? > I don't know what this means. What tool do you need to organize a > LAN party or whatever that is? On a LAN party young people usually meet to play multiplayer games (first person shooter, strategy, whatever). You can do that privately, with say 10 people, or you can organize a big LAN party for 500 players. Therefore you need a system to - publish news - give a possibility to let people communicate (messageboard, personal messaging system) over the web - organize catering on the LAN party - do votes/polls - organize which player gets which seat - manage all tournaments - etc. Just have a look at http://www.dagor.net/ (unfortunately it's in German). Best regards, Andreas Krennmair -- C.O.B.O.L - Completely Obsolete Boring Old Language.