From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11232c,ab67bdd1ff50fd8 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,c8086456b887be55 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-04-24 02:00:29 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!cass.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.kvaerner.com!news@kvaerner.com From: "Tarjei T. Jensen" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,misc.misc Subject: Re: License to Steal Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:54:12 +0200 Organization: Kvaerner Group IT Message-ID: <9c3evo$q133@news.kvaerner.com> References: <92HD6.3345$D4.334091@www.newsranger.com> <200104240531.WAA01552@well.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 155.209.159.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Xref: newsfeed.google.com comp.lang.ada:6879 misc.misc:2549 Date: 2001-04-24T10:54:12+02:00 List-Id: Kent Paul Dolan wrote >A very interesting thesis project for one of your grad >students, Richard, would be to study what it is that >makes a programming language able to grab mindshare >despite being essentially a hacker's toy like C++, >TCL, Perl, or Python, to name ones familiar to me, >while for conceptually adequate other programming >languages, like Ada, even offering to force them down >the programmer's throats at gunpoint fails. TCL is failing these days. Cameron Laird recently in his column lamented that TCL books had stopped selling. Probably means that perl and python can do the job now. TCL was popular/tolerated because of TK. Once the more usable (compared to TCL) programming languages got something usable, TCL had no useful life anymore and is being discarded. It will not be missed. >One well known and fairly major clue might be that >Larry Wall is a linguist by training. Does he know >something the Ada team should have considered about >how the user wants to _think of_ a language? I would not be surprised if you are right. I think he made some interesting constructs in perl. E.g. I really like "unless" because it allows me to specify exactly what I want to express, when I use it. Greetings,