From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.224.110.68 with SMTP id m4mr11325824qap.2.1364383500359; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx05.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!ca1no12109124qab.0!news-out.google.com!k8ni28594qas.0!nntp.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:24:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:24:59 -0400 From: "Peter C. Chapin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada 2005 vs Ada 2012 References: <87wqsuo13u.fsf@atmarama.net> <5752e888-09a3-4c2b-b37c-fa18b0207c95@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5752e888-09a3-4c2b-b37c-fa18b0207c95@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <9b6dnawcsYaRSs_MRVn_vwA@giganews.com> X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-cmiQWUJy1Se+paWce/0ptvTOoT97bUF7GXuELVhmGSbg0YPK+4R6FGlLOJAGceIyCqhj6Hd/Ow8w6/k!vS7LJbxPkX1MGeOwe5EXq/VuJ3HUCmYZZSFjSbHvLmvC/vTT8jDpwmcoaaGZUXM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:14744 Date: 2013-03-27T07:24:59-04:00 List-Id: On 03/27/2013 04:48 AM, Maciej Sobczak wrote: > Merging these two together even in the form of two-volume book, but with a single title "Programming in Ada 2012" could look better on bookshelves as the message to prospective buyer is different. Who's going to buy "Programming in Ada 2005" today? For today's fresh graduates, for example, year 2005 is a distant history, long before they went to university. Stone age, that is. How is that going to compete with all the buzzwords that they are exposed to nowadays? > > Even if it is barely a marketing issue, it should not be neglected. Note that the direct competition, C++11, is starting to hit the shelves at bookstores. Ada2012 looks much better than Ada2005 in this context, so I'd argue for a title refresh, even if it could be just a cover replacement. > I suspect John is aware of these issues. I agree that a new title is sexier and that's important. Personally I have to believe it would be possible to trim back the current book enough to make space for the new Ada 2012 material. It's not like Ada 2012 increased the size of the language by 50%. That said, one of the attractions of the Barnes book is its comprehensiveness. Trimming back material would potentially take away from that. Peter