From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-18 05:51:01 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!feed-ev1!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!newsfeed.onecall.net!chcgil2-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.binc.net!kilgallen From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Outside view (still): Development process in the Ada community Date: 18 Apr 2002 07:50:49 -0500 Organization: LJK Software Message-ID: <99D9RPZ2eANt@eisner.encompasserve.org> References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <5ee5b646.0204171415.18ac5e85@posting.google.com> <99c4aee4a9ea33ca8fbe1e634b3b4f14.48257@mygate.mailgate.org> <1a976f56c5a59e7ee74d2030a5702737.48257@mygate.mailgate.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: eisner.encompasserve.org X-Trace: grandcanyon.binc.net 1019134251 5365 192.135.80.34 (18 Apr 2002 12:50:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@binc.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22717 Date: 2002-04-18T07:50:49-05:00 List-Id: In article <1a976f56c5a59e7ee74d2030a5702737.48257@mygate.mailgate.org>, "Kent Paul Dolan" writes: > "Larry Kilgallen" wrote:.. > >> ACT has experimented with several pragmas and attributes outside >> the standard. What other ideas have been worked out and proven >> in an Ada environment ? > > > Sorry, but read your own words. Don't they scream "inbred" to you? No, think of it as an entrance examination. If you think something is useful, prove that it is useful in Ada. By that, you will prove to us all that it is worth doing in Ada. If even an advocate will not go to the effort to provide a worked example, the idea cannot be presumed worthwhile. > xanthian, who would mildly suggest that ideas that have been worked out > and proven in other programming language environments are at this point > _much_ more important to Ada's future as a viable programming language, > than merely rechurning stuff already known to work here. > > Again, if you don't provide in Ada the modern functionalities the > students learn to value in school, they will turn away to the tools that > do. The fact that something is taught in school does not automatically make it worthwhile. The fact that it is attractive to students is even less compelling. I am much more interested in Ada's effectiveness than I am in its popularity.