From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_DATE, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,df52cf364e9edc0a X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-12-09 14:30:24 PST Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: munck@Stars.Reston.Paramax.Com (Bob Munck) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Is DoD simulation ignoring using Ada????? Date: 9 Dec 1994 16:29:22 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9929.787011428@blackbird> Reply-To: munck@Stars.Reston.Paramax.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Date: 1994-12-09T16:29:22-06:00 List-Id: Gregory Aharonian's keyboard (apparently with little or no guidance from his brain) said: >Once again we see the ongoing hypocrisy of the STARS effort - here a >four page article describing the use of STARS tools on a project >without mentioning Ada once in the article - more evidence of their >embarassment of being associated with Ada. Gee, Greg, we also don't often mention that we all breathe oxygen-nitrogen mixtures, wear shoes while in the office, and use mice on the right side of the keyboard. How about your embarassment with the kind of computer you use -- you've never once mentioned it. Consider that what STARS does is concerned with producing reliable and maintainable software; what alternatives are there to Ada? Most STARS people would be quite emphatic in saying "NONE!" If we do tend to say less in favor of Ada than most other true believers, it may be because many of us have been involved the Ada Effort for a very long time (16 years in my case) and are tired of arguing with the infidel. To us, the question has been answered and the debate is over; we've gone on to the next barrier to good software. We also realize, because we've given it a good deal of thought, that much of what STARS has produced -- domain engineering, process modeling and enactment, etc -- is largely independent of programming language. If the stuff we're doing could help companies using C, FORTRAN, APL, or whatever, why go out of our way to give the false impression that we're entirely dependent on Ada? When they start using our results and thinking about their software in terms of maintainability and reliability, they'll see that Ada is the better choice for them too. Bob Munck not currently wearing shoes