From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,2573df63ff37c586 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.68.232.42 with SMTP id tl10mr20384145pbc.7.1335912962630; Tue, 01 May 2012 15:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Path: r9ni121244pbh.0!nntp.google.com!news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Adaforge? Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <9774792.924.1335912962276.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbez18> References: <10872380.887.1335622497447.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfr18> <27505966.1982.1335867375380.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynei5> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.51.153.250 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1335912962 7648 127.0.0.1 (1 May 2012 22:56:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 22:56:02 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <27505966.1982.1335867375380.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynei5> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.51.153.250; posting-account=cUi90woAAADTaOISowbbHM8GUD0-opJO User-Agent: G2/1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: 2012-05-01T15:56:02-07:00 List-Id: Hi Riccardo I strongly support your suggestion. I am not attacking Adacore or the effor= ts of others but there are several things that might be frightening off new= comers to the language and your proposal might really help offset this. As someone new myself, I have been worried as to why: -Many Ada sites have a circa 1995 look to the them -Many of these sites talk about Ada 95 furthering the outdated fears -A private company seems to be the centre of the Ada and profit has to=20 be their goal=20 -Many of these sites have dead links If we had an AdaForge site that was/had: -A modern look and feel -Highlighted projects that were not mission critical/military -Highlighted Ada's usefulness on multicore machines -highlighted a not-for-profit effort -highlighted projects that were mixed with other languages -highlight the open source compiler and linked to current resources like books, tutorials etc, it would dispel = some of the fears. One thing that helped me overcome by early concerns was = the fact that Ada is used in long term projects and projects just launched = like the 787 plane. Even if all the Ada libraries die off the GNAT compiler= should be maintained for quite some time, perhaps 20+ years ? If we posted information like this on the home page it might help stop the = FUD. I don't consider myself much of a graphic designer but I would be happy to = hack together a static site that could generate discussions about the look = and feel of the site to come. Nothing would have to be accepted into the ne= w site. LuaForge also has a lot of projects in various states of usefulness too. Th= ey used Perl for their first LuaForge but it broke. Now they are using a Sp= utnik backed site: http://sputnik.freewisdom.org/ It's written in Lua. We might have to use another language to drive the sit= e as Ada doesn't seem to have much of a following in the web space. Perhaps= later we could redo it with an Ada backend later. Anyhow, thanks for bring this up! -Patrick