From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:a112:: with SMTP id k18-v6mr3022496ioe.138.1528040486721; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 08:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:520c:: with SMTP id e12-v6mr298075oth.11.1528040486617; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 08:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!85.12.16.70.MISMATCH!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!v8-v6no4253059itc.0!news-out.google.com!b185-v6ni4677itb.0!nntp.google.com!v8-v6no4253055itc.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 08:41:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2a7a7e17-9027-4b05-9061-a79b3f07da22@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=119.247.91.190; posting-account=FIrIqgoAAAAbYWMmVdbV5-vsuCUTq8lA NNTP-Posting-Host: 119.247.91.190 References: <5e86db65-84b9-4b5b-9aea-427a658b5ae7@googlegroups.com> <710c0764-bd2a-4b60-a4c2-ae1f0cfba4e7@googlegroups.com> <09fbb767-18ea-4d17-aa07-ef89eae8bac7@googlegroups.com> <1a627951-aec7-48e5-9a39-f0ca6f19bc4d@googlegroups.com> <2a7a7e17-9027-4b05-9061-a79b3f07da22@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9641f184-520c-469a-a295-761d39aeb7ec@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ada Successor Language From: ric.wai88@gmail.com Injection-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 15:41:26 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3655 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1425582994 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52879 Date: 2018-06-03T08:41:26-07:00 List-Id: On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 11:31:14 AM UTC-4, Lucretia wrote: > On Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:22:34 UTC+1, ric....@gmail.com wrote: >=20 > > I can't understand why you're here. If you think you've got such a grea= t idea, go build it. I have no more to contribute to this discussion - I've= got to get to work. >=20 > Because I like the language, but there are issues with it too, to say the= re aren't is to bury your head in the sand. *Sigh* Alright, you baited me just enough with that one. I've overseen the development, deployment, and maintenance of very large, d= istributed, high-availability cloud-native enterprise systems, exclusively = in Ada 2012. We've used just about every single feature of the language in this. We've g= ot hundreds of packages, and prevalent re-use. We have had not one single b= ug in production, and no unplanned downtime. Testing took about 10% of the = allotted time because of the lack of bugs. Nothing in this world is perfect. But I have not encountered a single serio= us deficiency in Ada. Having trained quite a few people in Ada, and supervi= sing teams, as well as personally contributing a large portion of the origi= nal codebase, I can tell you from direct experience that every so-called de= ficiency in Ada has actually been a reflection of a detractor's own persona= l short comings. I know that's harsh to say, but this is frankly a huge par= t of the problem here. Ada is very different from other languages because it is probably the only = one out there that was not written by programmers for programmers. This is = why it gets hate. Making it more programmer friendly is not fixing it. Yes, we need more compilers, and more than AdaCore. I'm working on that. I'= m giving it my all. But nothing gets my blood boiling more than talk of reinventing the wheel. = There are more pressing problems in computing and software. There will neve= r be a "perfect" language. We are making too many damn languages. This is n= ot the real problem.