From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.107.84.8 with SMTP id i8mr14208722iob.66.1519833311054; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 07:55:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.157.1.9 with SMTP id 9mr843264otu.8.1519833310906; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 07:55:10 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.unit0.net!peer02.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!w142no737324ita.0!news-out.google.com!a2ni2099ite.0!nntp.google.com!e10no168503itf.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 07:55:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2babf92b-161e-4e59-9877-6de5466a6683@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.194; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.194 References: <5a8e17dc-1d52-4393-be58-8881e741c3a4@googlegroups.com> <1190543753.541369961.154390.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <6700ecea-cdfe-4c73-88ec-d98bafd9151b@googlegroups.com> <1288175616.541375784.664064.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <2babf92b-161e-4e59-9877-6de5466a6683@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <95718cf6-c89c-4fb9-bd6a-5abb1146124e@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Embeddinator-4000 begetting an Ada-cross-platform future? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 15:55:11 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Body-CRC: 2550120996 X-Received-Bytes: 4335 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:50711 Date: 2018-02-28T07:55:10-08:00 List-Id: Other than language-projecting via full automation the SDKs of modern popul= ar OSes to Ada (as proposed here via extending Embedinnator-4000 for langua= ge-projections to Ada in much the same way that it is being extended for la= nguage-projections to C++), what else can be done to invigorate excitement = about Ada as a better competitor to C++ in all of C++'s marketspaces? C++/= WinRT is apparently rehabilitating C++ within Microsoft in areas of the com= pany where UI/UX performance or UI/UX interfacing with C++/processor-native= -compiled-language backend processing is coming under increasing scrutiny. = Other than lacking symbolic debugging on iOS devices (and a few LLVM-backe= nd-oriented prerequisites thereof), there is no real reason for Ada to be l= eft out of C++'s recent advances in enacting a C++ comeback. https://docs.ElementsCompiler.com Vaguely analogously, RemObjects is making a similar-but-technically-quite-d= ifferent ploy as its breakthrough marketing strategy: ObjectPascal (rebran= ded as Oxygene) and C# (rebranded as Hydrogene) and Java (rebranded as Iodi= ne) and Swift (rebranded as Silver) are being merged into one enormous conf= ederated compiler (branded as Elements) with a shared(-to-some-degree) AST,= so that apps can be written in any of {Java, Swift, C#, ObjectPascal} on a= ll of the {Windows, desktop Java SDK, Android SDK, Objective-C SDK for iOS,= Objective-C SDK for MacOS}. No one else has Java or Swift targeting the W= indows SDK.* No one else has Java targeting the iOS or MacOS SDKs.* Not e= ven C#-everywhere Xamarin has C# app development =E2=80=A2both=E2=80=A2 1) = inside the JVM able to invoke (and be invoked by) Java or Kotlin easily & i= ntimately and 2) in processor-native machine code outside the JVM for backe= nd-processing libraries and for invoking (and being invoked by) app-domain = JNI bridges (as opposed to Xamarin.Android's C#-to-SDK infrastructural brid= ges, not at the app-domain level). Wouldn't it be awesome for one of the A= da-compiler vendors to have a joint-venture or ownership relationship with = RemObjects to bring Ada into the Elements confederated-compiler world that = would suddenly open Ada up to targeting Android, iOS, and MacOS (and the JV= M & CLR again)? * other than defunct unmaintained one-off experiments years ago A much bigger marketspace is within Ada's reach. Other languages and other= compiler vendors are pioneers into new frontiers. There is no real reason= for Ada & its compiler vendors to not be among those pioneers at the same = time right now.