From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_DATE, UNRESOLVED_TEMPLATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,e384729507492509 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-10-28 19:30:34 PST Path: nntp.gmd.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!auvm!EUROCONTROL.DE!wel Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Message-ID: <9410281155.AA29092@eurocontrol.de> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:55:46 +0100 Sender: Ada programming language From: Bob Wells #402 Subject: Re: Ada in Australia (was Ada ad in Embedded Systems Programming stinks) Comments: To: INFO-ADA%NDSUVM1.BITNET@vm.gmd.de Date: 1994-10-28T12:55:46+01:00 List-Id: Brendan WALKER writes.. > In article <9410131051.AA29342@eurocontrol.de>, > Bob Wells #402 wrote: > >Brendan WALKER writes > > > >> PS: We do NOT have an Ada mandate from our DoD in Australia, but on > >> some defence projects in the past Ada has been specified. This practice > >> is now almost extinct. > > > >G'day Brendan, > >Do you mean that the Collins submarine project, the ANZAC frigate project > >and the JOHRN project aren't being done in Ada? > >Bob W. (-: > > G'day to you too, Bob, > > No, that is not what I meant. The three programs that you mention were all > contracted between 3 and 7 years ago! Some of these are in fact the projects > to which I was referring where Ada has been mandated in the past. Note that > in these cases, Ada was in fact mandated by the project office concerned, > specifically for the one project only. > > My original statement that "We do NOT have an Ada mandate from our DoD in > Australia" is correct. > This was not what I was opposing. This is bloody obvious! (-: (not to mention a source of satisfaction for many in the Ada world that Oz uses Ada because we want to, and not because we *have* to! Dare I say the *M* word. (-: ) > Note also that about 9 out of 10 RFT's coming out of the Australian DoD in > the past few years DO NOT mandate Ada. The typical statement is that "A high > level language, such as Ada, C, or C++ should be used". There is also > usually a big emphasis on the use of COTS, (Commercial Off The Shelf), > software in any proposed solution. > Once again this is similar to what the DoD's policy is. "If there is something out there that does what we want, buy that! Don't go out and pay for something to be custom built. Even if it is going to be done in Ada!" I thought that ongoi ng support for the use of Ada was quite forthcoming in Oz? Given the maintainabilit y advantages of Ada (when correctly used in the first place), Defence prefers that Ada be used as I understand it. Did the original RFT's for the above projects sa y that *only* Ada was to be used? Isn't the JORN project still being moved from FORTRAN to Ada? What about your F111 work? Was the RFT written exclusively specifying Ada? Did you have to justify your choice of C++ (if my memory serves me correctly) to the customer (I guess the RAAF). > It is also worth noting that of three Ada projects you mentioned, I know for > a fact that at least two of these are in SERIOUS trouble, facing serious > architectual/design problems and the resulting cost and schedule slip (like 3+ > years late!!). > Which two? Is this a "from what I've read in the newspapers" type statement or a true assessment? Anyone out there from Telstar care to comment on JORN? Anyone from CSA care to comment on the sub project? Andy Lees, are you still at CSA? Can you comment here? I assume that these two are the ones you mean. (Or if it is the ANZAC frigate project, can anyone from CSA comment on that?) We've had one Ada flop where everything was thrown out (Queensland TAB) let's hope that these aren't aswell. @ -------- @ //// - ( G'day! ) @ (o o) -------- @ ----oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------------------------- Bob Wells "Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes." @ INTERNET: wel@eurocontrol.de Compu$erve: 100272,3004 @ The Ada WWW Server is http://lglwww.epfl.ch/Ada/ Team Ada @ For exciting Ada info enter 'finger wel@s4ecawel.eurocontrol.de'