From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,447bd1cf7a88c198 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-10 11:22:06 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.netcologne.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!uni-duisburg.de!l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de!sb463ba From: sb463ba@l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de (Georg Bauhaus) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Do we need "Mission-Critical" software? Was: What to Do? Date: 10 Jan 2001 19:12:39 GMT Organization: GMUGHDU Message-ID: <93ic77$p59$1@news-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> References: <3A4F5A4A.9ABA2C4F@chicagonet.net> <3A4F759E.A7D63F3F@netwood.net> <3A50ABDF.3A8F6C0D@acm.org> <92qdnn$jfg$1@news.huji.ac.il> <3A50C371.8B7B871@home.com> <3A51EC04.91353CE7@uol.com.br> <3A529C97.2CA4777F@home.com> <3A53CB9E.EA7CF86C@uol.com.br> <3A5466DE.811D43A5@acm.org> <932aol$ikc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <932mi6$r2k$1@trog.dera.gov.uk> <9343b1$3g5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <934iuf$eqv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <937kc7$ssq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93c0e9$4u6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93e33l$tfu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93ekmo$a14$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93f73f$mt1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93f9tu$p2r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93fphu$64l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A5C8FC4.2EED0D77@west.raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3870 Date: 2001-01-10T19:12:39+00:00 List-Id: Jerry Petrey (jdpetrey@west.raytheon.com) wrote: : In software today it seems like people just : want to : get into it fast, learn the latest 'in' language and start making : money. Perhaps : that is why there is so much bad software out there. Yes, and what is the solution? If those who hire people for writing programs were a bit more knowledgeable wrt programming, or at least knew someone who is, at least the small and very small software projects might look different. I.e. management must learn what programming is or consult someone about it. That starts at the university level, there not in the unpopular math oriented courses, but those on economy givven by teachers they like. Don't all the teachers here know this? In an area that Ada programmers might not want to call real programming, i.e. in the overabundance of "set up an interactive website" area, projects seem to be slowly drifting from script fiddling to more carefully planned applications, at least this is what I hear and see every now and then. Surprise after surprise about the time and memory constraints of some interpreted languages and those of transaction based DBMSs... there is a certain level of detail to be mastered when you want to use a language like Ada, chapters 1 and 2 in Norman Cohens book illustrate this. The people whom Jerry characterized won't stand this without further sweets (hipness, prestige, fun reading, fun listening, money, ...) when they just want to get the job done (an idiom stressed in this nwes group). So where are the sweets for the not-so-mathematically oriented? Much as you won't stand the devisability intro to number theory and analysing gcd when you just want some calculatoion to be fast _unless_ you have reason to be interested. Fill in reasons for having reason :-)