From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MSGID_RANDY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,447bd1cf7a88c198 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-09 11:12:05 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: dmitry6243@my-deja.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Do we need "Mission-Critical" software? Was: What to Do? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:03:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com Message-ID: <93fnao$49u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A4F5A4A.9ABA2C4F@chicagonet.net> <3A4F759E.A7D63F3F@netwood.net> <3A50ABDF.3A8F6C0D@acm.org> <92qdnn$jfg$1@news.huji.ac.il> <3A50C371.8B7B871@home.com> <3A51EC04.91353CE7@uol.com.br> <3A529C97.2CA4777F@home.com> <3A53CB9E.EA7CF86C@uol.com.br> <3A5466DE.811D43A5@acm.org> <932aol$ikc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <932mi6$r2k$1@trog.dera.gov.uk> <9343b1$3g5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <934iuf$eqv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <937kc7$ssq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93c0e9$4u6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93e33l$tfu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93ekmo$a14$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93f73f$mt1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.197.153.236 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 09 19:03:56 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.197.153.236 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdmitry6243 Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3825 Date: 2001-01-09T19:03:56+00:00 List-Id: In article <93f73f$mt1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Robert Dewar wrote: > In article <93ekmo$a14$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > n_brunot@my-deja.com wrote: > > Choose some Ada books and some Java ones. > > Have them read by someone who is neither Ada or Java > > fanatics. Ask him what he thinks, and not what you would like > > to hear. The conclusion is straightforward. > > Well I do that all the time (remember I teach at NYU), so I > am quite familiar with people's reactions to this task. of > course it depends on the books, and part of the trouble with > Java books is that they are weighed down by a ton of very > disorganized libraries, so I am not sure that the observation > (which is that people find the Ada books easier) is a fair one. I think you are wrong here. It is not about how good Ada or Ada book are. It is about whom you address it. I personally find Ada 95 Raionale excellent. It was a delight to read it. Yet it will never be a bestseller. Java and C++ books are awful, yet (therefore) they do their work. For they do not teach, but PROMOTE. To make a language popular, one need advertising. It must be as insolent as "Ada is an extension of C++ especially designed for Windows", then it works. > No one says that everyone should use Ada for everything. But everybody is saying that C++ is for anything. There is no place for correctness in market wars. -- Regards, Dmitry Kazakov Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/