From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MSGID_RANDY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,447bd1cf7a88c198 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-09 06:40:11 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Dewar Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Do we need "Mission-Critical" software? Was: What to Do? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:27:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com Message-ID: <93f73f$mt1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A4F5A4A.9ABA2C4F@chicagonet.net> <3A4F759E.A7D63F3F@netwood.net> <3A50ABDF.3A8F6C0D@acm.org> <92qdnn$jfg$1@news.huji.ac.il> <3A50C371.8B7B871@home.com> <3A51EC04.91353CE7@uol.com.br> <3A529C97.2CA4777F@home.com> <3A53CB9E.EA7CF86C@uol.com.br> <3A5466DE.811D43A5@acm.org> <932aol$ikc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <932mi6$r2k$1@trog.dera.gov.uk> <9343b1$3g5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <934iuf$eqv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <937kc7$ssq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93c0e9$4u6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93e33l$tfu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93ekmo$a14$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.38.14 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 09 14:27:02 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (OS/2; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.232.38.14 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrobert_dewar Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3815 Date: 2001-01-09T14:27:02+00:00 List-Id: In article <93ekmo$a14$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, n_brunot@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <93e33l$tfu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > I read a couple a times the word 'jovial' and thought it was > a joke :-) I guess you could be ready to invent your own > language, used only by you, to make proof that there are > languages less popular than Ada ... > Easy way to prove almost any absurd assertion :-) My goodness, are you *REALLY* saying you have not heard of JOVIAL? And it is you who claims *I* don't know anything about what is going on??? I would have especially thought that any Ada aware person would be familiar with JOVIAL since one of the major functions of Ada was to replace what was at one time fairly wide spread use of JOVIAL (= Jules Own Version of the International Algorithmic Language -- a verion of Algol). Do a little research here to find out just how amusing this ignorance is! > Java popularity certainly comes from Sun support. Well interestingly it is IBM that is taking the language seriously, but that was not enough to make PL/1 universal, and I don't think it will be enough now. > But one thing Sun certainly knew how to do, because it's a > successfull commercial company, is how to promote the > language to convince people to use it. Well perhaps you are too young to be really aware of the PL/1 experience, but that was pretty strong evidence that being a successful commercial company (with orders of mangitude more resources than Sun) is not by itself enough. > Choose some Ada books and some Java ones. > Have them read by someone who is neither Ada or Java > fanatics. Ask him what he thinks, and not what you would like > to hear. The conclusion is straightforward. Well I do that all the time (remember I teach at NYU), so I am quite familiar with people's reactions to this task. of course it depends on the books, and part of the trouble with Java books is that they are weighed down by a ton of very disorganized libraries, so I am not sure that the observation (which is that people find the Ada books easier) is a fair one. Anyway, it sounds like you are saying that Java is just fine for the kind of application you need to write, and that is a perfectly reasonable statement to make. No one says that everyone should use Ada for everything. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/