From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 06:28 EDT From: SAHARBAUGH@ROO.FIT.EDU Subject: Re: Meridian and Ada (not ADA) Message-ID: <9306051038.AA19983@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu> List-Id: Robert Dewar writes: Of course no vendor can spend time finding bugs in arbitrary user programs To get vendors attention I have often (sigh!) used this technique. Blow away portions of your program until it works, then put back portions until it no longer works. Apply this technique recursively until the offending source code is "obvious". Another parameter is that it fit on a one page fax. A fax may get more attention than e-mail because it will be seen (and immediately understood) by the people handling the one page of paper on its way to the proper person to handle the problem. If that fails carry the one page to the next trade show, go to their booth, type in the program (when there is a good crowd around) and leave the source code and the error messages on the screen. [here comes an old story] In the old days when people didn't know how to do arithmetic on binary machines, when I visited trade shows I would type in a small program that computed "e" for progressively more accurate approximations. Some vendors systems would converge nicely to the right answer (2.7 something), some would oscillate and never converge, some would diverge etc. After a year or so I was prevented from touching the terminals in some booths the excuse being that I my method was not a valid way to compute "e". The point is don't ask the vendor to understand your program, ask them only to understand their problem. sam harbaugh SAHARBAUGH@ROO.FIT.EDU