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Deferred: Connection refused by wsmr-simtel20 .army.mil ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA08353; Fri, 2 Apr 93 05:22:58 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-ada-ddn@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (info-ada@wsmr-simtel20.army.mi l) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Mar 93 14:28:46 GMT From: world!srctran@uunet.uu.net (Gregory Aharonian) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Subject: Ada9X boycott of OBJECT EXPO (NY, Apr): Why? Message-Id: Sender: info-ada-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: info-ada@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil I recently received a brochure in the mail from the sponsors of Object Expo national conference and exposition to be held at the New York Hilton on April 19 to April 23. (For more information, contact Object Expo, 588 Broadway, Suite 604, New York, NY, 10012, 212-274-9135. Three day fee $1000). Once again, there is virtually no Ada9X representation at the talks or the trade show. Here are people currently making Object Oriented decisions for the companies, prime candidates for a pitch on Ada9X, and there is no one their to sell them on Ada9X. Continual refusal to participate in these forums by the Ada9X people only reinforces the public image that Ada is nothing more than a niche language for the DoD of little use in the real world. What follows is the titles to the classes, tutorials and talks to be given, with a language relevance pointed out where possible from the abstract. Object-Oriented Modeling and Design An Introduction to C++ C++ Synthesis: Analysis and design for Object Oriented systems Software Development Using Smalltalk: A case study Smalltalk Choosing the right Object Oriented method OOP 101 C++ Program Development using C++ C++ Implementing Object Technology in Corporations OO Design Idioms and Architectures Evaluating OO Methods and CASE Mastering Object Engineering Encapsulating the Number System efficiently C++ Getting the most out of Object technology Developing and Implementing Enterprise Applications OOA in the real world Architectural issues for high performance OO C++ Virtual functions and virtual base classes C++ Transition management strategies Ada9X: Objectifying the Ada Language (Ed Schonberg) Ada Workflow analysis using graphics object modeling OO Software Engineering Thinking in Smalltalk Smalltalk Truly reusable class libraries in large programs C++ Experience with OO Structured Design ODBMS - the essentials C/C++ New techniques in OO representation Writing high performance Smalltalk programs Smalltalk C++ Gotchas C++ Finding business objects using CRC cards Objects and relational databases Implementing distributed applications User interface version control in large object systems Smalltalk Localized cost and static initialization C++ Creating software assets in the lifecycle Object databases OOPS - it should have worked Data abstraction in C++ C++ The Object game Benefitting from OO and CASE Implementing OO and recursive design Redefining open systems C++ library development C++ Going beyond OO GUIs Benefitting from OO Enterprise modeling Workshop with the BOOCH method Managing Object Technology Development and Testing for C++ C++ OO systems in non-OO environments OO opportunities in the executive suite Evolutionary perspective on Object Technology OO Design Smalltalk C++, Ada Mastering Object DBMSes Comparing OOP languages - C++, Smalltalk, Eiffel Smalltalk C++, Eiffel Advanced C++ C++ Once again, very minimal Ada presence, and only because the conference is in New York, making it easy for Ed to attend. Other than that, no Ada presence. In the abstract to Ed's talk it says: "This lecture will demonstrate how Ada continues to be ideally suited to support modern software engineering practice, especially for constructing large, reliable systems". As true as this maybe, no one is going to believe this delusion, since all they have to do is walk into the trade show and see absolutely no Ada presence. Such statements, when contrasted to a great unwillingness of Ada proponents not to show up at public forums to make the case for Ada and show off great Ada tools, are easily dismissed by those in the corporate world making OO decisions and spending their own money. "Why spend our money on a technology I never see ads for". Other than Rational (and probably demonstrating their C++ stuff) none of the other Ada compiler vendors (Alsys, Verdix, Meridian, Intermetrics, Telesoft, or DDC) are listed as the trade show exhibitors. None of the DoD program offices greatly dependent on the success of Ada (AJPO, STARS, ASSET, DSRO, Ada9X) are listed as trade show exhibitors to demonstrate to the world all of the DoD successes that Ed's abstract refers to. None of the contractors quickly taking Ada money (SAIC, IBM, Boeing, Paramax, etc) are there to proclaim to the public what they tell the DoD. In short, for all of the cheerleading I see on comp.lang.ada and at the Tri-Adas, I see no interest or willingness by these people to go out and sell Ada outside of the Mandated world. Given the importance of Ada to national security, I consider this nothing to be more than hypocrisy and suggest that the DoD start giving its Ada money to people willing to do so. Greg Aharonian Source Translation & Optimization -- ************************************************************************** Greg Aharonian Source Translation & Optimiztion P.O. Box 404, Belmont, MA 02178