From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,447bd1cf7a88c198 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-01 09:22:12 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.huji.ac.il!not-for-mail From: "Ehud Lamm" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: What to Do? Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:08:47 +0200 Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Message-ID: <92qdnn$jfg$1@news.huji.ac.il> References: <3A4F5A4A.9ABA2C4F@chicagonet.net> <3A4F759E.A7D63F3F@netwood.net> <3A50ABDF.3A8F6C0D@acm.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: di2-97.dialin.huji.ac.il X-Trace: news.huji.ac.il 978369079 19952 132.64.12.97 (1 Jan 2001 17:11:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.huji.ac.il NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:11:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3512 Date: 2001-01-01T19:08:47+02:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote in message news:3A50ABDF.3A8F6C0D@acm.org... > > I'm not sure why you think most of the posters here are amateur programmers? > We have a fair amount of students who post here, but I get the impression > that the bulk of us actually earn a living every day by working with > software. Maybe some of us don't use Ada every day - our jobs may demand the > use of other languages. Perhaps because many of us build devices that use > software as only one component you think that we are primarily electrical > engineers or mechanical engineers, etc? I think its pretty clear that at > least most of the people who post here regularly seem to have a good deal of > knowledge concerning software engineering, language design, practical > software experience, etc. If they are "amateurs" then they must be extremely > skilled "amateurs". > I'd hire most of this amateurs in a second. (Currently I work teaching, but I had my share of actual work). In fact, I think one problem Ada had (note past tense) was lack of amateurs. As opposed to such "cool" languages like C++ and Java (and in the old day Turbo Pascal), most hobbyist never hear of Ada, or hear misleading info (see Jargon File). I think these days things are changing a bit (I am judging mainly from this group, AdaPower etc.) I think that if we succeed in making the Ada community larger, by attracting hobbyists, the "real world" situation will improve too. (I still haven't found the time to write "Why should Hackers Love Ada?" If anyone wnats to write it, feel free...) Ehud