From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.129.71.213 with SMTP id u204mr14294655ywa.51.1465857787843; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 15:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.29.3 with SMTP id m3mr73663otm.2.1465857787804; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 15:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!p34no6538677qgp.1!news-out.google.com!v8ni370qgv.0!nntp.google.com!v48no1608698qgd.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 15:43:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.98.56.20; posting-account=MRPdDAoAAADUJmZVjnYaoafXFMadSeY1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.56.20 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <90c0c706-d69a-4dff-97d5-25ec5cdc74ac@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Gnoga current status From: Olivier Henley Injection-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 22:43:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3829 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1340985489 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:30723 Date: 2016-06-13T15:43:07-07:00 List-Id: For the last year I used Gnoga extensively and I must say it is, IMO, beyon= d awesome. 1. The framework is rock solid. My web app (still private) has something li= ke 30 users that interact on a daily basis, publish/subscribe, live push to= o many users, connect/disconnect, create a lot of dynamic content (events, = widgets), embed Youtube assets and abuse the UI without a glitch. I had som= e issues, but they were my bad. Since I fixed them, almost two months ago, = the server never failed or behaved in an unexpected way (timing in every as= pect is coherent all the time, no surprises whatsoever and my bug rate just= fell to plain zero.) This can probably be achieved using other language/fr= amework, but it is surprisingly convincing how Ada/Gnoga brings you firmly = there in such a short time. Personally, I won't even give a chance to anoth= er framework as Gnoga has been many orders of magnitude more robust and eff= ective for my work than any other framework I have tried before. =20 2. The idea to inject/manipulate in full duplex mode the DOM by driving aut= omated jquery code through websockets is brilliant. For the most part, depe= nding on your needs, you wont even have to touch html and/or javascript. Yo= u can inject css style directly from the backend/Ada code, but I find it cu= mbersome for heavy styling so I do use stylesheets a lot. 3. Finally, the demos that ship with Gnoga are really neat and cover a lot = of ground. For my work, Chatanooga has been the most useful as it gives a g= ood architectural overview of how to tackle live push between users. Most e= xamples/demos are rather austere in term of presentation but, this has noth= ing to do with Gnoga per se. If you have a clear enough understanding of th= e 'web model', you should know that its power of expressiveness exclusively= lies in the CSS styling. This contrasts a lot with more traditional UI fra= meworks like Gtk that 'gives' you styling through already defined widget lo= oks. Gnoga/CSS gives you unlimited freedom but you get the responsibility t= o define every presentation design/details; if you create ugly widgets and = modules you get an ugly page 'hands down' but the framework is not to blame= nor the limiting factor. With Gnoga you could well serve a design/publicit= y award winning website as much as a cheap looking sex toy company website.= When you get your hands dirty trying to make complex custom widgets that d= oes not even exists in other 'predefined' UI framework you'll better grasp = the implications of what I say: Gnoga drives the logic and the structure, C= SS skins it. Hope it helps, Olivier